Decline of Functioning Society

PurpleUrkel said:
It's not about comparison, but about perspective. Thinking about a time without electricity (or antibiotics or anesthesia or novicane) and what your life would be like without it helps to put your current "hardships" into perspective and hopefully make you more appreciative and grateful for what your current society's reality does provide. We all know the current problems (which is why it's so bothersome to have them repeated ad nauseum without providing any real solutions). The world is a dark, evil place. Everyone here knows this. Let's not wallow in it. Let's decide how we are going to spiritually transcend this "reality" by getting our own house in order and hopefully moving towards a life of good works that provides some kind of benefit to others. Part of our current problem, of which I am most certainly guilty of, is that most Western humans are spending too much of their lives focused on The Self and their personal net worth, and not enough time connecting with and helping their neighbors. This is how (((The Enemy))) has gained such a foothold in our spirit and culture, by rewarding us with material pleasures when we are selfish, greedy, and living in fear.


This is the most relevant point in the thread. A couple of years ago I was driving down the road listening to Rush Limbaugh going off about our collapsing economy only to find out the broadcast was a 20 year-old "best of" rerun. That really pissed me off. I'm so sick of everybody making doom and gloom predictions that never come to fruition.
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The west isn’t collapsing but it is in slow decline a.k.a. the frog in boiling water.

To the extent that in the last 40 years you could argue the standard of living of the average person got cut in half and in the next 40 years it will get cut in half (or even worse) again.
 
PurpleUrkel said:
It's not about comparison, but about perspective. Thinking about a time without electricity (or antibiotics or anesthesia or novicane) and what your life would be like without it helps to put your current "hardships" into perspective and hopefully make you more appreciative and grateful for what your current society's reality does provide.
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Recently I've been pondering how the modern world lost the norm to look towards the older generations to set the tone of culture. Culture now is opposite to that. Young is cool. Old people want to look young, etc.

There are still some older people out there who offer great perspective. My favorite is a close family member who is actually old enough to have grown up without running water and without electricity (remote farm in northern US). She was very amused when people were freaking out, prepping, stashing toilet paper during 2020 and explained you just use a rag, no big deal, just clean it. Never run out. She was nearly completely unaffected, shrugged it all off.

Granted, this is a generation older than the boomers, and many have been pulled along with modern cultural trends, but not all, they are still out there (usually in more rural areas). They can be fun to talk to.
 




In 1968 John B. Calhoun ran an experiment he called Universe 25 where he took a bunch of rats and gave them infinite resources and endless abundance but limited space.

The population grew exponentially until males began fighting, females abandoned their young, and the younger males withdrew completely from society and stopped engaging, socializing, and reproducing.

Then a new class of mice emerged called "The Beautiful Ones," who were physically perfect but never engaged in society or reproduced at all. All they were focused on was their appearance, grooming, eating, and sleeping.

The rats went totally extinct after this.
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Northumber said:
Recently I've been pondering how the modern world lost the norm to look towards the older generations to set the tone of culture. Culture now is opposite to that. Young is cool. Old people want to look young, etc.
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Older generations haven't been examples nor even tried for over 60 years, my friend. They just continued the materialist programming.

You can't have men working hard and expecting them to, if you give everything to spoiled women and then act like it's men's fault that no one cares about basic principle or truth anymore. It's sorta sad to realize that after a good run, we're staring into a total abyss. It can, and will, get much worse. You think a doubling in the single, childless female population in the next 10 years is going to help any of the complaining and blaming? lol
 
The Penitent Man said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Florida man kills wife, shoots stepdaughter and himself after argument

A Florida man shot and killed his wife, wounded his 13-year-old stepdaughter, and later took his own life after an argument over an NFL game just days before Christmas, authorities said.
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Lots of fags throw a drag over sports. But people like this have more underlying issues. Sports is their escape. I guarantee he already wasn't happy with his family at the very least.
 
Can confirm this. Having been involved with public education in the past I have seen this over and over. The number one predictor of child abuse is having a step parent in the home. When 60% of marriages end in divorce and 80% of those divorces are initiated by women because they lost The Feels and are "unhappy," this is the type of society you get.

"A man will sacrifice his happiness for his family, a women will sacrifice her family for her happiness."

 
Blade Runner said:
Older generations haven't been examples nor even tried for over 60 years, my friend. They just continued the materialist programming.
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The family member I was speaking of who has good perspective is nearing her 90s and more or less stayed aloof to programming due to her remaining in a rural environment. They still have no smartphones and use a landline. They do have a TV so there's some slippage there, but we are talking about people who weren't impressed with anything cultural that came out of the 60s in the first place. Very close to the generation of that WW2 guy we saw recently on the BBC who said WW2 wasn't worth it.
 
PurpleUrkel said:
Being a 20 year old man in America in 2026 is a blessing compared to being a 20 year old man in America in 1865.
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I have to respond to this as well. America post 1865 was a golden Age in human history. There were downsides, such as disastrous economic downturns, and the risk of your kid dying from an infected scratch. However, the age of steel revolutionized everything, at the same time that America was at its fastest rate of expansion over the Western frontier. It was a glorious age!
 
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Thomas More said:
I have to respond to this as well. America post 1865 was a golden Age in human history. There were downsides, such as disastrous economic downturns, and the risk of your kid dying from an infected scratch. However, the age of steel revolutionized everything, at the same time that America was at its fastest rate of expansion over the Western frontier. It was a glorious age!
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It was actually called the "Gilded Age"

en.wikipedia.org

Gilded Age - Wikipedia

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Thomas More said:
I have to respond to this as well. America post 1865 was a golden Age in human history. There were downsides, such as disastrous economic downturns, and the risk of your kid dying from an infected scratch. However, the age of steel revolutionized everything, at the same time that America was at its fastest rate of expansion over the Western frontier. It was a glorious age!
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100%, but I'm talking in terms of life expectancy which in 1865 was 40 years old and now it's 80. I'll take the two modern life "sentences" to the one in 1865 any day of the week. Quality of life is debatable for sure... Electricity vs no electricity, antibiotics vs no antibiotics, gas engines vs no gas engines, sewage and waste systems removal vs having none, etc.? Again, I personally fall on the side of modernity [though as stated previously, I'm in the process of moving to the woods to live like the Amish (except with electricity and gas powered engines)].

I was also thinking in terms of 1865 being the last year of the the Civil War which basically continued to occupy the minds of America's collective conscience for the better part of a decade and literally destroyed the psyche of many young men of the time due to PTSD.
 

Ask medieval historian Michael McCormick what year was the worst to be alive, and he's got an answer: "536." Not 1349, when the Black Death wiped out half of Europe. Not 1918, when the flu killed 50 million to 100 million people, mostly young adults. but 536. In Europe, "It was the beginning of one of the worst periods to be alive, if not the worst year," says McCormick, a historian and archaeologist who chairs the Harvard University Initiative for the Science of the Human Past.

A mysterious fog plunged Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia into darkness, day and night—for 18 months. "For the sun gave forth its light without brightness, like the moon, during the whole year," wrote Byzantine historian Procopius. Temperatures in the summer of 536 fell 1.5°C to 2.5°C, initiating the coldest decade in the past 2300 years. Snow fell that summer in China; crops failed; people starved. The Irish chronicles record "a failure of bread from the years 536–539." Then, in 541, bubonic plague struck the Roman port of Pelusium, in Egypt. What came to be called the Plague of Justinian spread rapidly, wiping out one-third to one-half of the population of the eastern Roman Empire and hastening its collapse, McCormick says.
 
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Science/tech progresses no matter what, but the cultural climate seems to have peaked before WWI when White civilization had the strongest spirit, without any apologizing for its success.

But I'd rather live five or ten thousand years into the future anyway. In the 1920s people would only wash the strategic areas and bathed once a week. I read somewhere, I've no idea how true it is, in the Irish neighborhood where Billy the Kid was born, maybe eight or ten Irishmen would sleep in the same room in their apartments in NYC in the 1860s.

The Irish in New York City

Discover the story of the 200,000 Irish immigrants who settled in New York City in 1860 and faced discrimination, poverty, and crime. Learn how they rose through the ranks of society and eventually reached the U.S. presidency.
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During the mid-nineteenth century, well over a million Irish fled their native country for the United States. Those who settled in New York City overwhelmingly lived in the Five Points, a neighborhood that achieved international notoriety as an overcrowded, dangerous, and disease-ridden slum.

Life in Mid-19th Century Five Points · SHEC: Resources for Teachers

Primary resources, classroom activities, graphic organizers and lesson plans produced by the American Social History Project designed for use in K-12 classrooms.
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Life expectancy did not increase much in the 19th century and by 1900 was 44 for males and 48 for females. There was more of an increase in median ages at death during this time, which were 52 years and 57 years respectively in 1900.

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Life expectancy did not increase much in the 19th century and by 1900 was 44 for males and 48 for females. There was more of an increase in median ages at death during this time, which were 52 years and 57 years respectively in 1900. Contents show 1 What was the life expectancy in 1901 … What...
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The largest number of people died at the age of 70 in England in the year 1900:

The osteological data suggests that during medieval times and the Early Modern period, the modal age-at-death of the general population of London remained more or less constant and hovered around 30 years, and that only monks showed a higher modal age, of about 45 years. However, from the 17th century onwards, life expectancy of adults increased markedly.

Reliable census data for both London and England and Wales in general are only available from 1841 onwards. For England and Wales, as documented in the data-set HMD UK, the modal age increased from about 65 years to 70 years between 1841 and 1900.

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magoo said:

Ask medieval historian Michael McCormick what year was the worst to be alive, and he's got an answer: "536." Not 1349, when the Black Death wiped out half of Europe. Not 1918, when the flu killed 50 million to 100 million people, mostly young adults. but 536. In Europe, "It was the beginning of one of the worst periods to be alive, if not the worst year," says McCormick, a historian and archaeologist who chairs the Harvard University Initiative for the Science of the Human Past.

A mysterious fog plunged Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Asia into darkness, day and night—for 18 months. "For the sun gave forth its light without brightness, like the moon, during the whole year," wrote Byzantine historian Procopius. Temperatures in the summer of 536 fell 1.5°C to 2.5°C, initiating the coldest decade in the past 2300 years. Snow fell that summer in China; crops failed; people starved. The Irish chronicles record "a failure of bread from the years 536–539." Then, in 541, bubonic plague struck the Roman port of Pelusium, in Egypt. What came to be called the Plague of Justinian spread rapidly, wiping out one-third to one-half of the population of the eastern Roman Empire and hastening its collapse, McCormick says.
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Cimate Change from human consumption strikes again!
 
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