Nah, it's like what Chateau Heartiste predicted long ago, that black ghetto culture is simply ahead of where white society is going, where men have to be jacked, criminally hard and dangerous just to get action.
The Destruction of Modern Women
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(To get action from thin women.)*
Roosh also wrote about it in “the future of game”
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My point is the strategy in the video isn’t going to make a dent in the situation. They need to be taught and reprogrammed but this sort of thing isn’t going to work.
The reshaping needs to be done starting with their fathers, then extended family and then leaders in society such as priests, community leaders, and politicians.
Right now they are failing and even the con inc influencers are doing nothing with some of the con females whoring themselves online as well.
There are no consequences to any of their actions. A girl can be a whore and still settle down. A girl can be obese and ugly and a man will still go for her. It needs to be scrapped but the strategy in this video will do nothing.
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Yes, it's amazing that that article was from 2010, but yes you could see the writing on the wall even back then.
That is correct, because the excess wealth paradigm has basically guaranteed it, and until you decrease the M:F ratio, which happens when things (like economy as well) get dire, you won't see any change.
What's more, women changing doesn't happen since they mature early and they are definitely going to be "who they are" by age 20 at the latest. That means you need an entire new generation that isn't used to be spoiled for anything to change. At any given time that means that you are at least 15 years away, which may be black pill for some (depending on age), but is really red pill in essence. It's just how things are.
Every year that no collapse happens, or there is no crisis (not rooting for it btw), is just one more year you're missing out from going overseas, if you care about a woman and/or family. The good thing for older guys is that you can get 30+ women basically from ages 35-60 if you are in good shape.
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Austrian women are actually genuinely nice people that are fun to be around. However, the interaction he describes absolutely fits the Vienna stereotype.
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I refuse to believe the pitiful ugly blonde in the first video makes much at all
she’s hideous.There is a group of women especially in major cities that have cushy office jobs doing nothing. But I think most women lie about ‘making so much money’ and 99% suck at finances and budgeting anyway.
This also explains the huge rise in prostitution and whoredom. When millions of young women are on OnlyFans, I doubt they are pulling down that much from a regular job. Something doesn’t compute so I assume the troll blonde is a liar.
Imagining a woman who was embarrassed at my inadequate water snobbery makes me want to move to Wee-enna.
Portland has the best tap water in the USA but, alas, such a scene never occurred amongst the hipsters....because they're commies.
Putting this here for emphasis on pop culture debating with women, but the important theme to me is the lack of humility from the Christian man in this clip, Andrew Wilson.
From 4:15.30 and for about the next two minutes I think it's clear that Wilson's initial hubris and insulting dictated his poor response to his opponent when she brought up common knowledge of his wife's history of being married previously that he could have just ignored, laughed off, or justified, as he did later by saying he's raising his step-children.
IMO Wilson comes off pretty bad during these two minutes. I've not watched other parts of the debate because I don't find this interesting or entertaining.
Clip in question is also on twitter.
From 4:15.30 and for about the next two minutes I think it's clear that Wilson's initial hubris and insulting dictated his poor response to his opponent when she brought up common knowledge of his wife's history of being married previously that he could have just ignored, laughed off, or justified, as he did later by saying he's raising his step-children.
IMO Wilson comes off pretty bad during these two minutes. I've not watched other parts of the debate because I don't find this interesting or entertaining.
Clip in question is also on twitter.
What's especially problematic about the Wilsons is their utter lack of grace and charity. It's not inherently problematic that Rachel was promiscuous in her past, Christ and repentance can wipe all of that away. The problem is that they pretend that they never lived that way, and so they just come off as holier-than-thou hypocrites. The result is, as you saw, people seeing the traditional values that they promote as "bullshit." They are not so much in the call to repentance business as they are in the shame and judgment business. That whole podcast is for people who get off on that sort of thing.
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Never heard of the Wilson guy but he seems like a tool. She caught a nerve by pointing out he wifed up a promiscuous single mom. Most traditional values that these con inc. people promote are complete bullshit. They are grifters and nobody should listen to them. The only ones with credentials online that should be taken seriously are priests.
Another issue with guys like Wilson is that they promote ideals that are detached from reality. If he only settled for the women that he says men should strive to be with, he would stay single for the rest of his life or have to move to South America.
Most men simply yearn for a decent connection with a somewhat attractive woman. If that happens to be a single mom, they will take that and never look back.
That path was never for me. However, I can understand the motives behind choosing it. Being single for years and patiently waiting or looking abroad can be agonising.
Most men simply yearn for a decent connection with a somewhat attractive woman. If that happens to be a single mom, they will take that and never look back.
That path was never for me. However, I can understand the motives behind choosing it. Being single for years and patiently waiting or looking abroad can be agonising.
Heard from some other people that apparently Wilson was wrecking her for most of the debate. Even if that is true, it doesn't matter if you are going to lose your composure like that especially when you are supposed to be the logical masculine guy that wrecks all of these emotional 304s. The clip of you having a meltdown is what's going to get clipped and get spread around the internet - not you dismantling the other side's arguments with your logic bombs.
I watched quite a bit of their debates back when the Crucible was more active on Youtube and the Wilsons usually do pretty well. That said, I do think they tend to get too much into bloodsport mode and they have turned things personal with a lot of people (including even other Christians or conservatives that might be sympathetic to their views) so it's not surprising that so many people are dogpiling on them when they have finally slipped up after usually being on the winning side of these big SUPER PWNED viral moments (making elite atheist debate bro Matt Dillahunty rage quit in a live debate during the opening statements, the various clips of OF girls getting BTFOed by Andrew, etc.) This is an example of why being an perpetually online uber-Orthobro isn't good for your walk with Christ.
I watched quite a bit of their debates back when the Crucible was more active on Youtube and the Wilsons usually do pretty well. That said, I do think they tend to get too much into bloodsport mode and they have turned things personal with a lot of people (including even other Christians or conservatives that might be sympathetic to their views) so it's not surprising that so many people are dogpiling on them when they have finally slipped up after usually being on the winning side of these big SUPER PWNED viral moments (making elite atheist debate bro Matt Dillahunty rage quit in a live debate during the opening statements, the various clips of OF girls getting BTFOed by Andrew, etc.) This is an example of why being an perpetually online uber-Orthobro isn't good for your walk with Christ.
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Remaining single, living a religious life, or heading overseas and rolling the dice is vastly superior to raising another man’s kids. Just the thought of wifing up a single mom is disgusting to me, but maybe I’m not the norm.
My explanation for a long time has been that there is a sustenance level that triggers all of this. Enough to live, which then gives them also no reason but to try to get men 2+ points higher, and probably also allows living "on your own" but also that is supplemented by all the men and relatives in their lives that they can lean on (scam).
This could be an unfortunate consequence, I won't deny it. The online business of clicks and ego (built in, as I've described) sadly has this major tradeoff.
He has some good arguments. As above, anything online is all about attention, for better or worse.
You distilled the issue of the modern age. If you want to really focus on why we are in this position, check out the population boom thread. There's nothing new under the sun, it just sucks when you have a pretty good life and then because the society decided to just give freebies to and simp for women, it makes most things in life low ROI. Back in the day, if you didn't do well, you probably didn't expect any chance for women. Or you got an average woman as an average guy, no big deal. Now you can do really well objectively and be able to provide for all sorts of women, but there are really quite few to go around, and most are old and with masculine traits.
I agree with you. I think like me, you are very much into ideals in the sense that you're also practical and it actually isn't asking that much - we know that this is true from history. And yet right now it is relatively asking a ton, since it's so rare for people to just be historically normal/traditional. That's the difference.
I think I have the same approach when it comes to preferences of the woman/wife. If I'm going to accept responsibility for her life and my kids, and put all that effort into it, I can't settle for non-euro, bad athletes, a girl's mother looking like a troll, etc. As above, in the modern age this massively diminishes options but I'm aware of it and that's fine. If I didn't have as much to offer, I'd think I'm crazy, too. But isn't that what most of modernity is, crazy? It's a cross between crazy and caught in the matrix. Some of the mindless stuff people act like isn't crazy due to just being the status quo is downright scary.
I've been spending a lot of time with a 23 year old from church. I feel like she's right on the point of going down the right path, or ending up "destroyed" like the women in this thread.
Using her as a example, it's pretty clear she's made mistakes and is looking for a Christian man to lead her. She'll say she's a feminist, but cooks me food, admits women shouldn't be pastors, gets really girly when she's around me and lets that unpleasant feminist attitude go. Her Halloween costume also showed too much skin. I told her this and she got rid of it. She also wore a nice dress for me when we went to church together, and she got her nails done.
I've been trying to decide if this is worth it, but the main point is it's up to men to guide these younger women in the right direction before it's too late.
Using her as a example, it's pretty clear she's made mistakes and is looking for a Christian man to lead her. She'll say she's a feminist, but cooks me food, admits women shouldn't be pastors, gets really girly when she's around me and lets that unpleasant feminist attitude go. Her Halloween costume also showed too much skin. I told her this and she got rid of it. She also wore a nice dress for me when we went to church together, and she got her nails done.
I've been trying to decide if this is worth it, but the main point is it's up to men to guide these younger women in the right direction before it's too late.