Be careful trying to make sense of the trump conundrum with Godfather. Same poster will accuse you fictitiously of being pro abortion by proxy due to having a generally pro Trump message.
Even when you condemn the orange man... Never enough
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Even when you condemn the orange man... Never enough
You played yourself on that one. Maybe don't get into a debate with someone who is actually anti-abortion next time. And I don't care if you're still pro-Trump. You can be whatever you want. I don't like the way you came off against Witcoff.
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Looks like Trump will lock up the Epstein files with an "investigation." And here we all thought he was going to investigate and jail these creeps 10 years ago.
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The Trump/Epstein connection is anything but bullsh*t. It is very real and there is insurmountable evidence, but of course the real down and dirty stuff was scrubbed years ago in preparation for Trump's jew controlled presidency.
Trump's whole life is one big "wrongdoing."
This can't be of any surprise to anyone who has truly been paying attention can it?
C'mon guys, take a good look at Trump's life. We have to analyze the situation correctly even if it is of benefit to, or some kind of victory for our democratic (((enemies))). Seekers of truth only want the truth no matters who's mouth it flows from.
It’s a bit simpler than that. No president can fix institutional rot, in this case, Israel, buying and controlling almost all of our politicians.
We would need both a president, as well as Congress, to agree to stop sending isreal money and stop fighting wars in the Middle East for israel.
Do any of you foresee the United States stopping any of this? Seriously?
And of course, Epstein relates to Israel and Mossad and the rest, it’s right at the center of all of it
Honestly, the only way that happens is if we go broke
We would need both a president, as well as Congress, to agree to stop sending isreal money and stop fighting wars in the Middle East for israel.
Do any of you foresee the United States stopping any of this? Seriously?
And of course, Epstein relates to Israel and Mossad and the rest, it’s right at the center of all of it
Honestly, the only way that happens is if we go broke
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Nope. We have some of our politicians openly stating that they place the interest of Israel above the US. They reference that it’s ‘biblical’ Guys like Cruz and others are a laughing stock.
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I agree with you. My point was is it behavior like most rich and powerful men and politicians (hookers porn stars / pay for play, playerish behavior) which most certainly happened or was Trump aware and participating in the pedo ring himself. Haven’t seen hard evidence he was participating, but he was most certainly aware of what was going on.
Honestly, I feel like an alcoholics anonymous member in recovery
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference“
Being a citizen in 2025, in the United States or anywhere in the western world, it’s basically being an addict(to having a healthy productive life I suppose).
I’m not even mad at this point, it’s past that, and far better to put your energy into things you can actually control
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference“
Being a citizen in 2025, in the United States or anywhere in the western world, it’s basically being an addict(to having a healthy productive life I suppose).
I’m not even mad at this point, it’s past that, and far better to put your energy into things you can actually control
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Merely pointing out to poster that you're one sided on this, and will lie about others position and twist it if it behooves your preconceived perception. Sorry if I got in your feels and made you blinded by desire to attack my posts to the point where you lied repeatedly.
Everyone's seen the debate. No one thinks I'm supporting abortion. Shit I have more children than majority on this forum so it's more lies.
As far as Witcoff.... He's a big boy and chose to leave the forum because it inflamed his passions. I wish him well and I agree with 90 percent of his takes. Just pointed out the political reality on the abortion issue going to the states vs federal mandate.
We don't need to rehash multiple threads here. But you're still a liar about my position and I'd like not to see others maligned....hence my warning to poster.
Ahh the "political reality." Well the political reality is that despite the GOPe selling out on the issue and gaining power, abortion is illegal de jure in only 12 states... and for what? So the GOPe can sell out the middle class with H1Bs, do nothing about waste fraud and abuse, and run an Epstein cover up operation?
I'm not angry with Trump, he needs friends, so he hands out favors. Although like in most mafia-like structures, they would throw him under the bus the moment he became a liability. It's an old dude, I don't need white collar crooks locked up, they should be free under supervision repaying their victims, Peter Schiff's father died in prison it didn't do anybody any good and he had the moral high ground.
How can people be mad, he owned the Tottenham soccer team. The Spurs have a 3M strong domestic fanbase, if you've not been angry with them you'd be nuts to criticize Trump now. These people've been buying game tickets, 80 quid t-shirts, team merchandise and trinkets handing over their hard earned money to Mr.Lewis happily and without objections, the way Americans treat Mark Cubansky.
In return they got to watch these fine gentlemen play, there are some limeys, not that many but it's their team, they go to bars for pies and beer and passionately discuss the action on the footy field:
Here we go again. Overturning R v Wade was a means to allow political parties in the State level to enact stricter anti abortion laws.
That's the first step needed to remove abortion on a nationwide basis.
From there the pills should be made illegal as well but that hasn't yet occured from the FDA, despite Kennedys support of that.
As far as your other points ... I am not defending any of those points as things I agree with.
In fact I'm condemnatory of the attacks on anti H1B members like MTG.
Trump and the GOP are getting that wrong.
The Trump admin is pissing away a lot of good will and early success by focusing on the wrong agenda items. He's getting bad advice and disregarding his base. It has to be corrected before midterms or he's cooked.
Roe was always considered an over reach in constitutional terms. The executive branch proposes laws, Congress turns bills into law, and the judicial branch is supposed to interpret law.
Roe was an attempt by the Supreme Court to create law, bypassing the other branches by having the judicial branch create laws.
Repealing Roe was undoing a mistake that should’ve never been made
In order for that to happen, Congress would have to pass such a law, and the president would have to sign it and not veto it. That could still happen, but we don’t have enough pro-life congressman and senators to pass such a law..
In fact, the more illegal aliens that flooded the country? The more democrat voters we get. The Way we were going not only will Congress not pass a law to outlaw abortion, we could easily get the opposite in our lifetime.
