Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

No man. This would be about the exact same as a father firing his son because he found someone much dumber, IQ of 75, who likes to shit in the street, doesn’t have anywhere near the work ethic or brain power, but willing to work for very low wages, and never unionized. So the father says.” screw it, I can save a few bucks.” Fires his son. Hires the retarded Indian.

In a healthy society the government invests in its own people, as @jayco says above. The rot is deep is my point. It's disappointing to hear these things from "our guy" or the "common sense guy" but it's to be expected from a boomer. The managerial class harming the country believes what they're doing is normal. Trump's first term has proven he's not actually a disrupter. He's not reforming the system; he sees himself as innovating or streamlining it. This is why you can't let a boomer blow smoke up your ass.

You're also right that people like Vance talk a better game. There's heavy radicalization happening, the younger you are the closer you are to the epicenter of this radicalism. Human beings are social creatures, and no one can escape the gravitational pull from this social cataclysm.
 
Yeesh, what a day for the orange fraud.

Jeffrey Epstein alleged that Donald Trump knew of the convicted sex offender's conduct
Singling out Trump, why, because he's president, everybody knew, all of the rich and powerful, especially in NYC and in particular those who knew Epstein personally had to know about his girls, and what he was about, oh you know that's the guy with the private jet, the island, and the young chicks, i can introduce you, he'll show you around.
 
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The entire sound bite seems taken out of context. If you watch the entire thing he says the US doesn’t have certain talents and he’s right about that.

You can argue it’s our education system that sucks which is also right but the example he gives is you can’t take someone off an unemployment line and have them work on missiles. Not everyone can be a professional athlete, and not everyone can be a nuclear physicist.

If you combine these two issues it comes down to a cultural failure. A lot of American kids go to university to party and the females to find themselves and become harlots. Many Asian parents force their kids to study all day. A lot of white guys are so demoralized and beaten down even if they are smart. There’s no support and it’s cultural as well.

To have complete home grown talent again it takes a complete cultural shift and that begins with restoring culture, discipline, and imo religious education.

I laughed when Laura asked him ‘well how did we do it before?’ Because the first thing I thought of was Nazis and operation paper clip :ROFLMAO:

I agree that if we want to solve these issues we're going to have to deal with the issues at the root rather than at the surface/symptom level which is what these guys Trump Elon etc are doing with this immigration and foreign talent BS. But dealing with the root of the issue is going to cause short term challenges in exchange for long term improvement and stability, and this is true not only for labor/immigration but for nearly every issue that the USA is facing. No one wants to deal with the short term challenges and the US political system almost perfectly disincentivizes causing short term pain for long term solutions because the short term pain causes a kneejerk reaction to pull the plug on the healing process and then makes the long term solution and improvement impossible. I don't know what my point is other than it's a definite blackpill on the US political system and the only way the country could possibly be saved is probably for a dictator to commandeer the entire system and control it for decades. Which seems unlikely despite wishful thinking that Trump might have been that guy.
 
The entire sound bite seems taken out of context. If you watch the entire thing he says the US doesn’t have certain talents and he’s right about that.
It's related to temporal issues and the political system. Subsequent posters explained it, and I have quoted some below.
And he could have said this, he could have said "we might need some H-1B workers until we actually get rid of DEI and get more White and Asian men back into engineering, and then we can send the visa workers back". But he chooses to not say this, he just ran down American workers, while ignoring the cause of this is pretending a 90 IQ DEI candidate is just as capable as a 140 IQ White or Asian candidate.
No, they aren't willing to try to get things done and investment over time because, to be honest, there is no time (he's got 3 more years and the next person/president probably won't care or will even sabotage it more).
Part of it in graduate schools is that the white guys or Catholics / Christians mostly don’t stick together.
That's been an issue for a long time among people of european descent. The propaganda has worked that they shouldn't be together because that's (insert pejorative), when in fact, it's because it'll make it impossible for others. So we have to wait for crisis for these to finally band together, and it's starting to happen now, look at how ineffective and unrestricted the language is. I don't make the rules, I just see what happens and why.
It seems the powers that be are desperate to get the DNC back in control of the House after midterms so they can have their fake gridlock and the never-ending excuse as to what Americans always come last.
No, the system is just going as democracies go, which grind down and halt until they collapse.
Not sure why you say need to stop Russia, from what? Its America who should back off from Russia, it has military bases all over the world not just around own borders, organizes coups all over the world and invades other countries space and traditional historic spheres of influence. This global empire mentality is incompatible with caring for their own citizens mentality is the rootof things like H1B problem.
Yes. A feature of empires is actually that they increasingly care nothing for their originals/own. It's funny to me that so many people actually want to believe that these governments care about them, especially over time when they make it so obvious. See the recent war hero guys from WW2 that were 100 years old; they lived too long sadly to see that all of the stuff they "fight for" is horseshit. At least it made for a good 30-50 more years of their life, which is actually decent. But sad that their friends died so that others could be born into a massive population boom and then fuck it all up. The fact that life has a sense of humor about what we all seem to find so "important" should be a teaching point for those guys.
Trump turned into what I thought he might be, the acceleration candidate.
Not really. We're just accelerating to 2030.
He's not reforming the system; he sees himself as innovating or streamlining it. This is why you can't let a boomer blow smoke up your ass.
Yes, it's just how it goes, it can't really be reformed. Or, he is thinking, what's the point - as above - he's only got 3 years. If he's gonna be VP for Vance maybe he has less of an excuse. I guess we'll find out.
I don't know what my point is other than it's a definite blackpill on the US political system and the only way the country could possibly be saved is probably for a dictator to commandeer the entire system and control it for decades.
Yes, someone posted on X that a democracy is for the aftermath of a monarch, so that stability will grind, and nothing huge will happen. That also limits change or real progress, and it's exactly what we've seen. We just have a back and forth gargantuan central government that loses its representation, prints money, and tries to peace things together as it gets more and more frozen and overtaxes the people over time, in order to keep up appearances.

It stands to reason therefore that to change and move forward (and yes sometimes it goes backward) you have to go back to something closer to the monarch. That means any change back could only be by a small group of people and their leader (usually a military coup, or the military leader after a civil war, etc).
 
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