Nick Fuentes Thread

[PurpleUrkel]

Can't speak to your earlier points, but I see Nick's point in the video. The conspiracy theory mindset that is so prevalent on the right can very easily cross over from healthy skepticism to unbridled superstition, and there are many, many grifters on the right who take advantage of this.

I can't see his point at all. Until one elite jew is arrested and brought to justice for being a jew who denies Christ and therefore has no moral or ethical compass that prevents them from usuriously rigging America's social system against white Christian heterosexual men, (((they))) must all be called names and shamed in the public square relentlessly. The more voices, whether correct or incorrect, calling out the jews and accusing them of being guilty until proven innocent the better.

We are at war with judiaism because judiaism has waged war against us. The Noticing is accelerating and now Nick is concerned about optics and wants us to take our foot off the gas? Pure gaslighting by a soy boy who thinks this issue can be solved peacefully via "negotiations." You can't negotiate with the Synagogue of Satan and their Antichrist. Fuentes sounds very fed-like with his newest iteration of the old Lucy pull the football away switcheroo.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I can't see his point at all. Until one elite jew is arrested and brought to justice for being a jew who denies Christ and therefore has no moral or ethical compass that prevents them from usuriously rigging America's social system against white Christian heterosexual men, (((they))) must all be called names and shamed in the public square relentlessly. The more voices, whether correct or incorrect, calling out the jews and accusing them of being guilty until proven innocent the better.

We are at war with judiaism because judiaism has waged war against us. The Noticing is accelerating and now Nick is concerned about optics and wants us to take our foot off the gas? Pure gaslighting by a soy boy who thinks this issue can be solved peacefully via "negotiations." You can't negotiate with the Synagogue of Satan and their Antichrist. Fuentes sounds very fed-like with his newest iteration of the old Lucy pull the football away switcheroo.

I am not a fan at all of Nick Fuentes, but I get what he's saying. Which is ironic because it's basically a dose of his own medicine.

People trying to infiltrate and push things further and further and co-opt the legitimate points of the movement. I believe that's what he's frustrated with....It's the same folks calling Alex Jones a Zionist shill when he's done more to call out the Israeli government from the USS Liberty to 911.

PBF recently had Nick on and told him that as long as he uses racially insensitive language he won't be on the show. Nick agreed and reached a broader audience through it. Remember Nick is just as much about Nick as anything else.

I still think he's a Fed, not in the "I'm hired by the government sense" but in the "I'm supposed to push back on legitimate view points on the right that have a viable path because they aren't extrememe enough" which is why it's ironic and a dose of his own medicine.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

Can't speak to your earlier points, but I see Nick's point in the video. The conspiracy theory mindset that is so prevalent on the right can very easily cross over from healthy skepticism to unbridled superstition, and there are many, many grifters on the right who take advantage of this.

People were asking me about gypsy crusader, and I said I'm against violence. I'm against this idea of a violent revolution and killing people.
...
Yesterday we were talking about Venezuela, and I said it's actually America First to secure vital American interests. I would count Venezuela among them actually. I don't necessarily support a violent regime change but in principle I'm not against it.

Can you explain the point?

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

Can you explain the point?

The point is that the right has it's fair share of idiots just as the left does.

 

[InspCallahan]

They're basically lots of Opportunist milking the Gradual shift to Normal Approved Controversial opinion.

Or a silly but real comparison foe me, it's the kids that became Alternative in the Early to Mid 90s after Nirvana made it cool and acceptable, after the Original 80s freaks got punched in the mouth for being originally different and edgy.

Same with lots of stuff when it becomes inclusive. Where here it's a bit harder than trends and lifestyles, because this takes critical thinking and good research, Because lets be frank, nobody has Exclusive privy to Rothschild/Judeo-Masonic Inc.s plans and controlled opposition Characters and deception.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Tucker had him on.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Tucker had him on.

There are separate threads for Tucker & Nick, but I'll go ahead and discuss them both here in regards to their interview together.

The most important part of the interview is from 55 min - 1:16.

At about 57 minutes Tucker gives his standard spiel against identity politics that I've heard from him since 2017 on his Fox News show and says that, as Christians, we have to treat everyone as an individual.

Tucker says that you can't have identity politics in a country of 350 million people because it will become Rawanda, but he offers no comment on how to deal with our current situation where identity politics is active for everyone but whites and Christians.

1:15 Nick gave a rebuttal to Tucker's position on identity politics, especially regarding Jews, but didn't go too hard.

2:11 Tucker says marriage is super easy and men & women naturally fall into their roles. It's such an absurd statement that it supports the idea that Tucker is sincerely stupid enough to decry identity politics, but when he says stuff like this, and he's always had at least one major bonehead talking point during his career, that I find it incredible and it makes me suspicious.

For example, he promoted the 2nd Iraq War until the end of 2003 (he says now). He was also very dismissive and contemptuous of 9/11 truth forever, but now he has a documentary on the topic 24 years later He is often on the establishment side of the propaganda until the cat has been out of the bag for a long time.

I'm going to comment on something that I take very seriously and that I have observed closely about Tucker since 2017, which is Tucker has never smelled like a Christian to me. His revealing his faith in the past couple of years follows a similar pattern of waiting until it's safe to talk about something.

Maybe he was always pressured by being in mainstream media not to talk about it, but I think his reluctance to profess Jesus has resulted in effectively denying him. Obviously, only God knows his heart, but many times I have seen him on TV when one of his guests mentioned Jesus and Tucker said nothing.

Regarding Nick, it was not covered in this interview, but the problem I have with him is that he is 100% against organizing. He sounds so wrong to me when he talks about this that I begin to mistrust him. I think he's for real overall, but because of him having no proper mentor and following people like Ye & Milo, I think he's still screwed up and too fearful of betrayal.

This interview was a much better than Patrick Bet David, where Nick was just placating an invader with a large follower count.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

There are separate threads for Tucker & Nick, but I'll go ahead and discuss them both here in regards to their interview together.

The most important part of the interview is from 55 min - 1:16.

At about 57 minutes Tucker gives his standard spiel against identity politics that I've heard from him since 2017 on his Fox News show and says that, as Christians, we have to treat everyone as an individual.

Tucker says that you can't have identity politics in a country of 350 million people because it will become Rawanda, but he offers no comment on how to deal with our current situation where identity politics is active for everyone but whites and Christians.

1:15 Nick gave a rebuttal to Tucker's position on identity politics, especially regarding Jews, but didn't go too hard.

2:11 Tucker says marriage is super easy and men & women naturally fall into their roles. It's such an absurd statement that it supports the idea that Tucker is sincerely stupid enough to decry identity politics, but when he says stuff like this, and he's always had at least one major bonehead talking point during his career, that I find it incredible and it makes me suspicious.

For example, he promoted the 2nd Iraq War until the end of 2003 (he says now). He was also very dismissive and contemptuous of 9/11 truth forever, but now he has a documentary on the topic 24 years later He is often on the establishment side of the propaganda until the cat has been out of the bag for a long time.

I'm going to comment on something that I take very seriously and that I have observed closely about Tucker since 2017, which is Tucker has never smelled like a Christian to me. His revealing his faith in the past couple of years follows a similar pattern of waiting until it's safe to talk about something.

Maybe he was always pressured by being in mainstream media not to talk about it, but I think his reluctance to profess Jesus has resulted in effectively denying him. Obviously, only God knows his heart, but many times I have seen him on TV when one of his guests mentioned Jesus and Tucker said nothing.

Regarding Nick, it was not covered in this interview, but the problem I have with him is that he is 100% against organizing. He sounds so wrong to me when he talks about this that I begin to mistrust him. I think he's for real overall, but because of him having no proper mentor and following people like Ye & Milo, I think he's still screwed up and too fearful of betrayal.

This interview was a much better than Patrick Bet David, where Nick was just placating an invader with a large follower count.

Great summary, it was a great podcast. Nick came off very intelligent, and he was holding back on some of his thoughts but was still able to push some red pill messaging and keep it at a moderate enough level that Tucker really couldn't push back on what he said. I was impressed with Nick's ability in this interview almost use Tucker to get to his audience by keeping it intelligent, classy and holding back punches he could have thrown. He was very respectful to Tucker and Tucker does seem like a genuinely good guy, no way of knowing for sure, but he did apologize to Nick for past things he said about him.

I agree with you on Nick's inability to put together a path forward and how he is against organizing. He talks about addiction on this show and how bad it is, but then he brags about eating junk food and not working out. He has a long way to go personally, just to be a man, and he likely can never lead due to developing so late and having it too easy. Nick's biggest mistake was burning the bridges with the guys who could have lead him, like Mike Peinovich or Joseph Jordan and isolating himself into the spot of perpetually online complainer. But he does have a large audience that will use him as a steppingstone towards someone who can lead them.

 

[Iakobos]

Historically I have respected Nick for pushing the Overton window and being willing to put his face behind what historically was only the realm of 4chan anons but especially lately have found him to be effeminate, whiny/complaint-oriented, dishonest and shady in his reaction to the Kirk assassination and behavior since then. Tucker I have respected for packaging redpills for boomers but also find him to be very much an actor (even moreso than the average talking head) and with shady characteristics in addition to his history with the MSM and neocon institutions. I was very interested to see this interview but came away disappointed.

• Overall a very lukewarm showing from the both of them with lots of "yeah yeah I agree, I just quibble about xyz" "yeah yeah I agree but I quibble about abc"
• Fuentes came off better on the political topics but he definitely watered down his presentation for the show and his only real key point on Jewishness being inseparable from Zionism and co-opting of American interests in the name of Israel, was not very well hammered in imo. In general he was not incisive or faithful to his historical positions and it's open for discussion whether that's a clever tactic on his part or disingenuity. I tend towards the latter.
• I really didn't like hearing Tucker push back on collectivism and Fuentes agree with him (???).
• Fuentes also played into Tucker's framing of getting him to repeatedly admit "not all Jews" when you can push back justifiably on that boomer talking point
• No discussion of Kirk conspiracies even in the context of debunking
• No discussion of either party's fed accusations other than "lol how silly i thought you were a fed"
• This would have been a perfect context to discuss Christian nationalism, they came so close to the topic once or twice, but they maintained the false dialectic of propositional nationalism vs racial nationalism
• I understand Nick representing young men's frustration on women but the particular point of "oh you might find a good woman but she'll just be corrupted by society anyway" is the most cucked beta take ever. Sorry you have such poor frame that you can't bring your woman into your world (although I'd say most people who espouse this are just being blackpilled and making excuses).
• Fuentes was super on point on the subject of porn, but I was astonished that he didn't mention Jews in connection with the topic. I get that he, for good or ill, was trying to make himself not the "Jews Jews Jews" guy, but he is actually that guy and that's a Good Thing when it's based on facts and reality.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Fuentes was super on point on the subject of porn, but I was astonished that he didn't mention Jews in connection with the topic. I get that he, for good or ill, was trying to make himself not the "Jews Jews Jews" guy, but he is actually that guy and that's a Good Thing when it's based on facts and reality.

One of Nick's strengths is humor and I did laugh out loud when, after saying that porn allows a man to be with 100 fantasy women, that in regard to being with just one real woman,

"the juice just isn't worth the squeeze"

Hilarious double entendre coming from a virgin.

But he does have a large audience that will use him as a steppingstone towards someone who can lead them.

I think Nick will eventually bring it all together and be a good leader, but it might take another 10 years because he is, as he said to Tucker, out in the wilderness on his own.

 

[Iakobos]

I'm going to comment on something that I take very seriously and that I have observed closely about Tucker since 2017, which is Tucker has never smelled like a Christian to me. His revealing his faith in the past couple of years follows a similar pattern of waiting until it's safe to talk about something.

Maybe he was always pressured by being in mainstream media not to talk about it, but I think his reluctance to profess Jesus has resulted in effectively denying him. Obviously, only God knows his heart, but many times I have seen him on TV when one of his guests mentioned Jesus and Tucker said nothing.

I know exactly what you mean, I don't mean to put myself forward as an example as I am a novice in the Christian struggle, but there are a lot of folks who are nominal Christians yet who do not look at the world first and foremost through the lens of Christ, and this is very clearly reflected in their dialogue and behavior. I would classify both Fuentes and Tucker into this category. They tend to consciously or unconsciously view Christianity as a token of European/American culture rather than Divine Revelation that all other things including politics should flow out from. This is still fairly controversial in the modern discourse so I get it but I am convinced that America must be made an explicitly, unapologetically Christian nation and that this would be the beginning of starting to solve our problems. As long as we try to maintain the secular, Masonic, propositional, liberty-worshipping America the country is doomed to continue on its course. It's frustrating to see possibly the two largest right-wing/trad political commentators fail to dip their toe into that territory.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

I know exactly what you mean, I don't mean to put myself forward as an example as I am a novice in the Christian struggle, but there are a lot of folks who are nominal Christians yet who do not look at the world first and foremost through the lens of Christ, and this is very clearly reflected in their dialogue and behavior. I would classify both Fuentes and Tucker into this category. They tend to consciously or unconsciously view Christianity as a token of European/American culture rather than Divine Revelation that all other things including politics should flow out from. This is still fairly controversial in the modern discourse so I get it but I am convinced that America must be made an explicitly, unapologetically Christian nation and that this would be the beginning of starting to solve our problems. As long as we try to maintain the secular, Masonic, propositional, liberty-worshipping America the country is doomed to continue on its course. It's frustrating to see possibly the two largest right-wing/trad political commentators fail to dip their toe into that territory.

Can you tell me who on the forum or outside of it provides Christ-centric political opinions?

 

[Iakobos]

Can you tell me who on the forum or outside of it provides Christ-centric political opinions?

On here I know I've seen plenty of folks consistently view politics through the lens of Christ, off the top of my head there's Samseau, Wutang, Godfather, PurpleUrkel and others.

In the public sphere, Fr. Josiah Trenham is a gem of a priest who is not afraid to speak on the spiritual state of the nation, he talks on the topic here:

Andrew Torba I know is outspoken on Christian nationalism. Jay Dyer uses his Orthodox Christian lens to analyze the failures of modernity that led us to this point and has a quite evenhanded/non-LARPing view of moving back toward the traditional Christian symphonia of Church and State, you do have to dig a bit to find stuff from him that isn't bloodsport debating with other Christian sects though.

For a slightly older figure, this book by Fr. Seraphim Rose is more about the overall zeitgeist of atheist modernity but includes politics in its analysis: https://www.amazon.com/Nihilism-Root-Revolution-Modern-Age/dp/1887904069

If that kind of Christian-centric historical sociopolitical analysis interests you I would also recommend Antichrist: The Fulfillment of Globalization by G.M. Davis, it explores how in modernity and especially in America, the principle Christian ideal of freedom FROM the passions became twisted into freedom to INDULGE the passions, which makes us spiritual slaves. It's actually one of the best books I've ever read. On Resistance to Evil by Force by Ivan Ilyin is also a quite political text, it's 100 years old but written in the context of the Bolshevik Revolution (very akin to our modern enemies) and a relevant rebuttal to those who might think Christian principles are separate or incompatible with political realities.

Now if you're asking about political actors... I have almost nothing for you sadly. I think they are coming, however the establishment Republicans are trying to keep them down and prop up a new generation of bought-and-paid-for Zio-neocons. The recent Young Republicans groupchat scandal is an example, one of the members was compromised with blackmail to leak the chats, but I know that many are not backing down. It's tough for sure because not only do these young up-and-comers have to keep themselves squeaky clean but there's also the intimidating fact that it's going to be easier and easier to fabricate blackmail with AI technology. I guess they'll have to look to Trump as a model for bulldozing your way through slander. There's going to have to be major grassroots support in any case, it's a long shot but I don't think there's any alternative in the long term given that the propositional notion of American is on life support - we've built our nation on a foundation of sand so to speak.

Even in a rosy scenario where the Christian/trad right-wing revival continues to gain steam, interdenominational infighting is going to be hard to overcome, especially because the Catholic Church is so compromised politically yet so powerful, that many people like Fuentes are going to be too stubborn to leave it (no offense meant to Catholic brethren on here). Ironically I see Orthodox and protestants/nondenominationals having a better time working together politically than either with the Roman Catholics. This is part of why I am so critical of Nick, he's done amazingly to get himself into the position where he could really be The Guy but it doesn't look like he's headed the right direction anymore or like he's really seeking to embody the characteristics of a leader. Now more than ever it's possible for media personalities to pivot into politics but I reckon he'll end up as an entertainer like @Read_Lives_of_Saints said.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Overall a very lukewarm showing from the both of them with lots of "yeah yeah I agree, I just quibble about xyz" "yeah yeah I agree but I quibble about abc"...

I only watched about 15 minutes (skipped around a bit) and then just got thoroughly disgusted with these two clowns. I mean, you're already out there receiving death threats everyday, so gird your loins, beef up your security, stay on the move, and speak in public like you do in private. It just sounded like two compromised pus*ies shaking in their boots doing a lot of talking while saying absolutely nothing.

You nailed it with these statements:

Fuentes was super on point on the subject of porn, but I was astonished that he didn't mention Jews in connection with the topic.

Ever since Charlie was whacked Nick has been back peddling on the JQ.

No discussion of Kirk conspiracies even in the context of debunking...

Probably because they know more than they're telling us and they are both living in fear for their lives. Why they haven't disappeared with their millions is anyone's guess (either addicted to fame or working for feds)?

No discussion of either party's fed accusations...

Exactly. If I was sitting in front of someone who had accused me of being a fed with millions of people watching that's all I would want to talk about.

 

[TruckDriver9]

Can you tell me who on the forum or outside of it provides Christ-centric political opinions?

Preferably Your priest shouldn't shy away from talking about current politics in his sermons.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

LOL, I forgot about the part of the interview where Nick said it was Mark Levin talking about demographic replacement and voting patterns of non-Whites that made him turn into a White Nationalist. Mark isn't taking it too well, LOL...

 

[Get2choppaaa]

 

[Valentine]

Overall a very lukewarm showing from the both of them with lots of "yeah yeah I agree, I just quibble about xyz" "yeah yeah I agree but I quibble about abc"

The key here is Nick first needs to normalise his being a guest on all the big conservatives shows after having been persona non grata for many years.

It gets the normiecon public on his side by showing that he's able to talk respectfully with all the normiecon influencers, and the influencers benefit from getting to host a very popular guest on their show whilst minimising the controversy as much as possible.

If he follows this pattern he'll eventually get on the Joe Rogan Experience, and by that point everyone will know he's not some evil Hitler caricature.

It's a great move for getting the message further out there, especially because he's not watered down his own shows either and still constantly points out how powerful Jews are doing verifiable evil things. And the normiecon public will finally allow themselves to listen to these once their favourite normiecon influencer has given their implicit approval by hosting Nick.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]