Christian Morality Thread

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the use of the word "forgiveness" in this context. Why would we punish someone who has been forgiven? What is he being forgiven for? Are you supposed to forgive only the killer or all the leftists that want you dead? Does this mean Trump is going avenge Kirk because he hasn't forgiven?
 
I'm not sure I'm understanding the use of the word "forgiveness" in this context. Why would we punish someone who has been forgiven? What is he being forgiven for? Are you supposed to forgive only the killer or all the leftists that want you dead? Does this mean Trump is going avenge Kirk because he hasn't forgiven?
I'm no theologian and I've struggled with the question of forgiveness in the context you present here. Especially so in the light of what Jesus preached in Luke ch17 v3-4
"Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
What are we to make of the qualifier, "if he repents"? What we do if he doesn't repent, Jesus doesn't tell us here.

As we know well, those on the Left celebrate their sinfulness, repentance being the furthest thing on their minds. That we don't harbour hatred and vinctiveness towards them is understandable, because it darkens our hearts, but then what should we do CiK theologians?
 
I'm no theologian and I've struggled with the question of forgiveness in the context you present here. Especially so in the light of what Jesus preached in Luke ch17 v3-4
"Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
What are we to make of the qualifier, "if he repents"? What we do if he doesn't repent, Jesus doesn't tell us here.

As we know well, those on the Left celebrate their sinfulness, repentance being the furthest thing on their minds. That we don't harbour hatred and vinctiveness towards them is understandable, because it darkens our hearts, but then what should we do CiK theologians?
I do not practice theology, but for myself I think of forgiveness with a financial analogy. In forgiving a debt you merely clean a ledger such that the former debtor no longer owes you anything, but this does not mean you continue to lend to him as you did before. The latter would require a demonstration of financial responsibility and trustworthiness.

Forgiveness of a wrong means not seeking recompense or retribution from the one you wronged you. It does not mean you must make yourself vulnerable to further wrong from that person.
 
Forgiveness of a wrong means not seeking recompense or retribution from the one you wronged you.
Personally I'm not interested in splitting hairs on Biblical interpretation by trying to define what "is" is. We must use common sense based on "goodness" according to the epoch of our time. Is it good to let your wife be raped while you sit by and watch? Is it good to let your children be corrupted by JQ produced pornography on a (((military))) grade phone that is 20 times more powerful than NASA's 1960's IBM computers? Is it good to let people threaten, attack, and kill Christians for verbally expressing their ideas in the public square? No.

The Bible mentions forgiveness if the sinner repents. All non-Christians are blasphemous sinners against Christ. They are Antichrist. They are non-repentant. They have proudly announced themselves as The Enemy. Are we not to fight The Enemy? Are we to lay down our weapons while The Enemy attempts to stab us in the heart? Ridiculous. Of course not. It is our moral and Christian obligation to resist Antichrist, not "forgive" (((it))).
 
While it may seem great that the ''right'' is now speaking out harsher its just kosher goy nationalism / christianity. Contrived and without real substance, co-opting the movement and directing normies in a way that serves jewish interests. We can still apreciate the memes though. Ive been put off by the right wing and the demonstrations because they still dont get it and get led around by their nose by tommy robinson types. Im starting to consider myself no longer right or left i dont want to be part of this political theater.
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I'm no theologian and I've struggled with the question of forgiveness in the context you present here. Especially so in the light of what Jesus preached in Luke ch17 v3-4
"Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
What are we to make of the qualifier, "if he repents"? What we do if he doesn't repent, Jesus doesn't tell us here.

As we know well, those on the Left celebrate their sinfulness, repentance being the furthest thing on their minds. That we don't harbour hatred and vinctiveness towards them is understandable, because it darkens our hearts, but then what should we do CiK theologians?
Not harbouring hatred in your hearts is forgiveness.

It says rebuke him.

If he does not repent, you have not rebuked sufficiently.

Speak louder.

You are allowed to forgive without repentance, Jesus did both to St. Longinus and to "those who knew not what they do".

Many Saints would destroy Pagan icons only after converting enough peacefully to do so successfully.

Be bold and brave. We have God on our side. At this point, we probably don't need violence to win unequivocally. We've taken back free speech by both hands, are Marching in the streets by the thousands of thousands.

Be heard. Where there is a place to speak or an opportunity, take it. Make Governments fear their own people again.
 
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Guys the forgiveness thing is a lot simpler than you're making it all out to be. It just means not holding hatred or a grudge in your heart, and hoping that the offender may find God in their hearts and repent. It means desiring that the offender should be saved rather than face the fires of hell.

It doesn't mean that justice shouldn't be administered (though of course mercy may be admirable depending on the circumstances), it doesn't mean enabling or condoning sinful and destructive behavior, it doesn't mean being a cuck, and it does not require repentance from the other party although as quoted above, when there is clear repentance from the other party we are indeed explicitly commanded to forgive.
 
Guys the forgiveness thing is a lot simpler than you're making it all out to be. It just means not holding hatred or a grudge in your heart, and hoping that the offender may find God in their hearts and repent.
Sounds like jew inspired Evangelical Christianity to me. I understand theological theory. But I also understand real world practice. Do you know what kind of mindset it takes to go into war, to go into battle against The Enemy in a kill or be killed situation? Nobody, when sitting in the trenches of battle wants a soldier next to them with a mindset of "forgiveness" and "not holding hatred or a grudge" toward The Enemy that is aggressively trying to take your life. That is a good way to get yourself killed. We are losing this battle because of this soft, feminine take on Christianity. We must defend ourselves against attack and we cannot summon the hatred necessary to fight The Enemy if we refuse to hold grudges against (((Them))) for what they've done, and continue to do to us.

Jesus did for us what we cannot do for ourselves, he died for our sins. He does not expect us to be Him. He does however expect us to stand up for what is good and right and if necessary violently go to our death in pursuit of protecting the weakest among us. We are not expected to be pacifist monks who just sit there and take it with "love" and "forgiveness" in our hearts. It makes no sense to take a knife to a gun fight and I can find no passage in The Bible where it commands us to do so.
 
Hatred is a deadly sin, it's of the devil. Christians must not be like that, as hard as it seems, like Giordano says above we should throw it out of our hearts for our own good and well being, I struggle and have been unable to, prayer must be the answer.

(edit: Wrath not hatred, my bad)

Jesus taught to forgive and pray for our enemies, which is not an invitation to letting them walk all over us. He said that the most important commandments are to love God and then our neighbors as much as ourselves- in that order.

You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself

Luke 10:27


We must love God more than we love ourselves, to follow Jesus is to deny oneself. Then come we, and the love of self- we must not let anybody hurt us for that reason, because we don't love ourselves any less than we love them. We can't even let the evil ones attack others whom we must love and protect as ourselves too.

We are not told to love anybody more than ourselves- only as much. The Catholic Church used to teach the death penalty was meant to prevent a very evil person from putting himself in an even greater spiritual peril by continuing in his destructive ways- before an execution a priest would try to get him to sincerely repent and seek forgiveness, he'd hear his confession and give the absolution next.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 15:13


When the Vikings attacked your fishing village, without abandoning your neighbors and the family you loved equally or maybe more than yourself, outnumbered and insufficiently armed you had to run into battle to face them which meant certain death, instead of running for the hills spurred and overtaken by the shameful calculus of self preservation. If we love our neighbors and ourselves equally, we are obligated to fiercely defend our Christian civilization with all our might. An attack can be the best defense.

I haven't watched the memorial service but I plan to, it doesn't look inappropriate to me- let everyone including the enemies see a celebration filled with the hope we have in Christ, none of them will get anything like it.

Charlie is alive and so are we, we rejoice in Christ, we're not dead:

Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and preach the kingdom of God."

Luke 9:60


Those who reject Jesus are really nothing more than the walking dead. If they still do when their time is up, they will be dead for good, we have life if we can keep it.

I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.

John 11:25-26




Wouldn't a suppressor have been used with the rifle by a determined assassin who doesn't want to get caught.
 
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Sounds like jew inspired Evangelical Christianity to me. I understand theological theory. But I also understand real world practice. Do you know what kind of mindset it takes to go into war, to go into battle against The Enemy in a kill or be killed situation? Nobody, when sitting in the trenches of battle wants a soldier next to them with a mindset of "forgiveness" and "not holding hatred or a grudge" toward The Enemy that is aggressively trying to take your life. That is a good way to get yourself killed. We are losing this battle because of this soft, feminine take on Christianity. We must defend ourselves against attack and we cannot summon the hatred necessary to fight The Enemy if we refuse to hold grudges against (((Them))) for what they've done, and continue to do to us.

Nothing squishy about his take at all.

As far as the mindset of someone in war.... You havent been to it so be quiet.

Don't pull macho bullshit here because you didn't serve and we can pull all the receipts of previous posts on the matter.

Those who have understand the difference between the moment and seeing the person on the other side doing the same thing you'd do in that situation if them.

That said....you are literally the last person on here who should be saying Jack or shit about what a warrior thinks or deals with. We can pull all the posts from previous conversation and your disgusting categorization about servicemen which I vehemently disagreed with.

Jesus did for us what we cannot do for ourselves, he died for our sins. He does not expect us to be Him. He does however expect us to stand up for what is good and right and if necessary violently go to our death in pursuit of protecting the weakest among us. We are not expected to be pacifist monks who just sit there and take it with "love" and "forgiveness" in our hearts. It makes no sense to take a knife to a gun fight and I can find no passage in The Bible where it commands us to do so.
You need to reassess what was written.

Justice must be served by government and by man.

But all the widow is saying is that she chooses to live with out anger on the situation ....(which is a large part of forgiveness)

No one is saying you're expected to allow people to just abuse and rape you. That's your spin on the matter.

Literally re read what you're posting on.
 
Sounds like jew inspired Evangelical Christianity to me. I understand theological theory. But I also understand real world practice. Do you know what kind of mindset it takes to go into war, to go into battle against The Enemy in a kill or be killed situation? Nobody, when sitting in the trenches of battle wants a soldier next to them with a mindset of "forgiveness" and "not holding hatred or a grudge" toward The Enemy that is aggressively trying to take your life. That is a good way to get yourself killed. We are losing this battle because of this soft, feminine take on Christianity. We must defend ourselves against attack and we cannot summon the hatred necessary to fight The Enemy if we refuse to hold grudges against (((Them))) for what they've done, and continue to do to us.

Jesus did for us what we cannot do for ourselves, he died for our sins. He does not expect us to be Him. He does however expect us to stand up for what is good and right and if necessary violently go to our death in pursuit of protecting the weakest among us. We are not expected to be pacifist monks who just sit there and take it with "love" and "forgiveness" in our hearts. It makes no sense to take a knife to a gun fight and I can find no passage in The Bible where it commands us to do so.

Work on your reading comprehension before rushing to label me a Jew please.

Fake pacifist christianity is absolutely a thing and it is a heresy and it is not what i said so do not attribute things to me that i did not say. There is a false dialectic going on where one side is fake and gay pacifist pushover “Christianity”, and the opposing viewpoint being presented is the stoking of impassioned hatred. Which side you apparently on as you say we need to “summon hatred.” As you insinuate that we should not seek to emulate Christ. I’m sorry if you don’t like the teachings of the church and the saints but hey, what we are called to do is not always what is most expedient in this world.

As usual the truth is neither side of the false dialectic but the option they seek to hide: We are called to fight and sacrifice and defend with sobriety, fueled by love of that which we defend and protect. We wont be perfect and at all costs we absolutely mustn’t be cowards, which is what the pacifists pushovers are deep down. We must defend the innocents with our lives and may no one ever think I said otherwise.
 
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Purple had a bad experience and therefore is more emotionally invested in this topic than other people.

The fundamental catholic conception of punishment as more to do with the reestablishment of natural order. The order established by God. It´s an ethical reaction to evil. The primary goal of law is to reestablish what was perturbed. To correct what was wronged. Only when law can´t reestablish what existed before. There´s monetary payments. But that´s not the primary purpose. The primary purpose is to maintain and recoup the natural order. A person wronged should be after law acts be put in the same condition she was before the violation. Sometimes that´s not possible so the violator has to pay has a second possibility.

You cant ressuscitate Kirk in order to restablish the order which existed before. so yeah. His widow and society will have to suffice with the jail of the shooter (if he was the shooter) and monetary compensation. Unfortunately that´s the best option available to restore natural order. His widow wishes are irrelevant. It´s God who decides. God order needs to be restablished.


"Pius XII stated that "punishment is the reaction, demanded by law and justice, to fault: it is like a blow and a counterblow. The order violated by the culpable act demands reintegration and restoration of the disturbed balance. Punishment itself can therefore have no other meaning and objective than to bring back to the order of duty the violator of the right, who had emerged from it. This order of duty is necessarily an expression of the order of being, the order of the true and the good, which alone has the right to exist, in opposition to error and evil, which represent that which should not be." This same retributive dogma had already been announced by St. Thomas Aquinas in these terms: "Anyone who rises against the order of things must expect repression from that same order (...) hence the threefold punishment that the sinner incurs: one that comes from himself, remorse; another from men; a third from God." And Michel Anquestil states, along these lines: "The mechanism of punishment derives from the principle of reaction: in the domain of nature, as in the domain of culture, all beings react to one another, and each order of reality defends itself in particular against all aggression, against every act that tends to destroy it."

The concept of retribution in law is not so much to make a vengeance. Actually it´s said that criminal law starts where vengeance ends. The idea of having retribution is to make an equivalent between the crime and punishment. If you commit libel you shouldn´t be sentenced to death.

When the shooter killed Kirk he disturbed the balance of society. And society needs him to be punished for the balance to be restored.

Kirk widow can forgive the shooter. But society/nature cannot tolerate such actions. Because doing so would mean agreeing on the violation of God established order.

DEUS VULT!
 
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Its been multiple decades of giving forgiveness while evil continues to grow. that is why some are understandably pushing for more righteousness and delivering of justice. They need to be balanced appropriately to maintain a healthy society, that is what the law was supposed to do at their discretion. but this is now completely lost. Sometimes an act of forgiveness is enough to change someones heart but other times only harsh retribution will do it. Unconditional forgiveness to those who do not see the value of this gift but only understand retribution is detrimental to all. Cultural/ethnic/spiritual differences in people have to be taken into account to determine how much forgiveness or retribution is needed to achieve positive results. For some receiving forgiveness is like a few drops of water on a fire it will do nothing, or even encourage them which is the status quo for too long.

I want to let go of this right vs left divide thinking and transcend it and look for shared values, because we are getting played like fools. but i also know there are absolutely elements that are so far gone they can not be reasoned with, and forgiveness will not do anything for them.

yes we should try to follow jesus in his example to forgive, but we are not jesus, we will never be capable of love to the extent that god has love for us. Sure speak out and forgive if that is trully what you feel. But if it is forced because they think they need to fulfill that expectation it is not a good thing. It is okay to need more time to process the murder of your loved one and not resort to forgiveness in a few days or a week. Most of us are not saints like that.
 
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The forgiveness of the widow is irrelevant. This is bigger than her. Society cannot tolerate such actions. It’s against the natural order of things. The balance is broken. And the only way to patch it up. Is for the assassin to be punished. Even though this is just a patch. Because the killing of someone is irreversible. Unless we consider natural order coexists with someone to kill a father and husband and walk freely. Every action leads to a reaction. And the Catholic christian order doesn’t tolerate violation of God natural order of things. It’s unbalanced to do so.

DEUS VULT!
 
As far as the mindset of someone in war.... You haven't been to it so be quiet.
Here we go again, as you always seem to enjoy attacking the messenger instead of the message.

Don't pull macho bullshit here because you didn't serve and we can pull all the receipts of previous posts on the matter.
WTF are you talking about? It is not "being macho" to state facts about violence and war. You don't have a problem with your jew stooge Trump who never served being "Commander in Chief" of the entire military and making decisions to bomb Iran on behalf of Israel but you get your panties in a knot over little old me saying, "It takes hatred and rage and not forgiveness to kill"? Clown world. Honk! Honk!

... you are literally the last person on here who should be saying Jack or shit about what a warrior thinks or deals with. We can pull all the posts from previous conversation and your disgusting categorization about servicemen which I vehemently disagreed with.
"You, you, you." Speaking of being uncharitable and lacking forgiveness? The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

There are other ways to gain experience about violence and war than by serving the JQ agenda in the Middle East. I have had several family members killed and mamed in war and my knowledge reflects their experience. I have had guns pulled on me several times in life. I have been in numerous life threatening street fights. I was in the drug trade earlier in life and was surrounded by threats and violence. My uncle was a cop who died fighting street level crime in South Los Angeles. My sister was murdered by a n*gger drug dealer and when I pulled a gun on him I came very close to pulling the trigger. And so yes, I know what violence is and what it takes to kill somebody and it is not "forgiveness," it is hatred for what they've done to you. And so for you to say that "I am the last person on Earth" who should be talking about what a warrior thinks and deals with is just you feeling hatred towards me and being unforgiving. The irony.

Justice must be served by government and by man.
Complete double speak. Justice will never be served as long as you have feelings of love and forgiveness towards cold blooded, unrepentant killers.

No one is saying you're expected to allow people to just abuse and rape you.
More double speak in an attempt to attack me personally... And yes, that's exactly what you're saying.

Work on your reading comprehension before rushing to label me a Jew please.
I didn't label you or call you a jew. I said the theological doctrine you were espousing sounded jew inspired. I am sure this is unbeknownst to you and that you quote scripture in good faith.

The jews cry out in pain as they strike us, and many Christians yell out "I forgive you!" as they are being crucified. Jesus does not require us to be Him and to walk directly in His footsteps. We are losing the battle for American hearts and minds because we are not fighting back with strength and determination. Instead we are fighting wars for the JQ Antichrist overseas and forgiving those who seek to murder us at home.
 
I didn't label you or call you a jew. I said the theological doctrine you were espousing sounded jew inspired. I am sure this is unbeknownst to you and that you quote scripture in good faith.

True you didn't say it, you just insinuated it. A very Jewish tactic. See, I can do it too. I appreciate your zeal but your condescending and sanctimonious attitude is a great way to ostracize your brothers who are on your team. I get your point but you are making it at the wrong person because I'm not preaching "turn the other cheek, lie down and let the enemies of God trample you and let your country be raped." It's a nuanced situation and if you behave like a mad bull you will play into the enemy's hands. I don't even want to nitpick about these things because I would rather build bridges but you are forcing me to defend myself with your slander and condescension when all I did was share the Church's teaching on forgiveness.

Let me make it abundantly clear: As Christians, when necessity dictates it, our sacred and moral duty is to use force to protect what is good and true and right and holy, and to defeat what is evil and antichrist and sinful and destructive.

Jesus does not require us to be Him and to walk directly in His footsteps.

This specific point does need to be addressed because it is a broad claim that is untrue and twisting doctrine to support your justification of 'summoning hatred'. I am sure this is unbeknownst to you and you are saying we're not meant to attempt to be like Christ in good faith.

Matthew 16:24 – “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

John 13:15 – “For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.”

1 John 2:6 – “Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.”

1 Peter 2:21 – “For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.”

Ephesians 5:1–2 – “Be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us.”

St. John Chrysostom (Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew, Homily 55) – “Nothing makes us so like God as readiness to forgive and to do good to our enemies. This is to follow after Christ.”

St. Maximus the Confessor (Four Hundred Texts on Love 1.27) – “He who loves God imitates God as far as this is possible to man.”

St. Theophan the Recluse (Letters, vol. 1) – “The essence of the Christian life consists in the imitation of Christ … whoever follows Him will become like Him.”

Kindly note that none of these are to justify pacifism and cucking like cowards in the face of evil. Those who say so twist doctrine to conform to their cowardice, much as you twist doctrine to conform to your hatred (in good faith unbeknownst to you I'm sure).
 
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Let me make it abundantly clear: As Christians, when necessity dictates it, our sacred and moral duty is to use force to protect what is good and true and right and holy, and to defeat what is evil and antichrist and sinful and destructive.

As a side note, if anyone wants to understand the ethics of Christian use of force, I highly recommend this book deboonking Christian pacifism:

 
Here we go again, as you always seem to enjoy attacking the messenger instead of the message.


WTF are you talking about? It is not "being macho" to state facts about violence and war. You don't have a problem with your jew stooge Trump who never served being "Commander in Chief" of the entire military and making decisions to bomb Iran on behalf of Israel but you get your panties in a knot over little old me saying, "It takes hatred and rage and not forgiveness to kill"? Clown world. Honk! Honk!


"You, you, you." Speaking of being uncharitable and lacking forgiveness? The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

There are other ways to gain experience about violence and war than by serving the JQ agenda in the Middle East. I have had several family members killed and mamed in war and my knowledge reflects their experience. I have had guns pulled on me several times in life. I have been in numerous life threatening street fights. I was in the drug trade earlier in life and was surrounded by threats and violence. My uncle was a cop who died fighting street level crime in South Los Angeles. My sister was murdered by a n*gger drug dealer and when I pulled a gun on him I came very close to pulling the trigger. And so yes, I know what violence is and what it takes to kill somebody and it is not "forgiveness," it is hatred for what they've done to you. And so for you to say that "I am the last person on Earth" who should be talking about what a warrior thinks and deals with is just you feeling hatred towards me and being unforgiving. The irony.


Complete double speak. Justice will never be served as long as you have feelings of love and forgiveness towards cold blooded, unrepentant killers.


More double speak in an attempt to attack me personally... And yes, that's exactly what you're saying.


I didn't label you or call you a jew. I said the theological doctrine you were espousing sounded jew inspired. I am sure this is unbeknownst to you and that you quote scripture in good faith.

The jews cry out in pain as they strike us, and many Christians yell out "I forgive you!" as they are being crucified. Jesus does not require us to be Him and to walk directly in His footsteps. We are losing the battle for American hearts and minds because we are not fighting back with strength and determination. Instead we are fighting wars for the JQ Antichrist overseas and forgiving those who seek to murder us at home.

You may be very much experienced with violence, but combat is not violence in the way that you, a bystander, understand.

I would not want someone full of hatred to the enemy beside me in a combat situation as they would be unpredictable, be prone to making the wrong decisions, being rash etc.

I would want someone cool, calm, capable and experienced next to me.

Combat/warfare and street level thuggery are worlds apart and totally different. Despite the reasons the powers that be sent the soldiers to that war.

In simple terms, pit me against a bunch of hoods from the estate (gangbangers from da hood) and I will look like John Wick. They are such different worlds. Plenty of historical evidence of what happens when these two groups end up rubbing shoulders in the past.
 
Kindly note that none of these are to justify pacifism and cucking like cowards in the face of evil.
Of course they are. "Love thy neighbor," but "Kill them from time to time when they step out of line"? Forgive someone but put them to death for their sins via the death penalty? Complete double speak that you can't justify without running in theological circles.

Those who say so twist doctrine to conform to their cowardice, much as you twist doctrine to conform to your hatred (in good faith unbeknownst to you I'm sure).
You are the one twisting doctrine and speaking out both sides of your mouth... "Kill, but kill with love, not hate!" Hatred implies wanting to hurt someone. I have no such desires. So please don't confuse my theoretical philosophy with the actual state of my being.

I would not want someone full of hatred to the enemy beside me...
So you want someone who loves the enemy beside you? You felt love toward the muzzies while they were trying to capture you and cut off your head while live streaming it on the internet?

I would want someone cool, calm, capable and experienced next to me.
The two are not mutually exclusive. You can hate someone enough to kill them, yet do it in a non-emotional and level headed fashion. To state that a human can summon the desire to kill another human being without the intensity of a vengeful and hateful anger is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I've never heard of someone calmly and intentionally killing someone while their heart is filled with love, compassion, and forgiveness towards the person they are killing.
 
Of course they are. "Love thy neighbor," but "Kill them from time to time when they step out of line"? Forgive someone but put them to death for their sins via the death penalty? Complete double speak that you can't justify without running in theological circles.
The person they commit a crime against is supposed to the forgive them because they have the most reasons to hate.

The judge and jury are supposed to execute the criminal because the public display of justice will put fear in other criminals, prevent them from repeating the crime if they don't repent, and reassure the public that justice works, and that order is being maintained and that they don't need to fear.

The important part is hate, because with Jesus, those that are saved have eternal life.

An eternity of hate would destroy your soul.


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