Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

[PurpleUrkel]

One thing I'm not sure about is how complicit is Russia in this plan?

Russia isn't any different than any other large country, it has banks, it has vast natural resources, and therefore it has powerful jews controlling those resources. Jews have a long history of having their hooks sunk into Russia. If Putin didn't have such a large personal net worth without being able to explain how he "legally," and better yet morally acquired it all while having held down a lifelong tenure of employment with The State then he might have plausible deniability with regards to the JQ. However, nobody on planet earth obtains hundreds of millions of dollars (and some say Putin is worth billions) while being a government employee for 40 years without being in bed with elite talmudic trillionaire jews. Putin isn't personally in control of Russia, he takes orders from those whom he owes his life and career to. Somebody above Putin ordered the war with Ukraine, and so war is what (((they))) got. To think that Putin is top dog in Russia, that he and he alone controls Russia, and that there is no one above him whom he answers to is peak naivete'.

Putin has been soft on the jews as evidenced by Tucker's interview where he literally called them "victims." It doesn't get any more, "Don't believe your lying eyes (and ears)" than that. Of all things Putin could have said about the jews and he referred to them as "victims." It doesn't get any more peak clown world, reverse psychology KGB psyop than that. Putin has only recently begun to say negative things about jews because some AI super computer reported back to The Kremlin that The Noticing with regards to the fake narrative and rationalization for the Ukraine war was wearing thin, and because the jew attacking jew narrative and how both Zelensky and Putin are controlled by jews hypothesis is beginning to gain traction. And so of course Putin will now start criticizing the jews in a classic KGB-style "nip it in the bud" reverse psychology psyop to deflect and obfuscate in an attempt to make the truth seem like a lie.

 

[Cooper]

This has been my belief for years now.

One thing I'm not sure about is how complicit is Russia in this plan? Are they acting purely out of their own self interest or are they just playing their assigned role in this plan? Maybe a little bit of both?

I'm conflicted. Putin has publicly criticized Jews in the past, does work to maintain a Christian nation, outlaws homosexual propaganda, all things that would certainly not align with Jewish interests...

On the other hand when he talks about "de-nazification", whatever the hell that means, it looks like he's doing Jewish kayfabe. Also when you consider who the victims of this war are; young, white, nationalistic men, many of whom are Christian themselves, getting killed in droves, in the most inhuman ways using drones and other technology, it seems like exact type of thing a Saturn worshipper would love to see.

Russia is not complicit, they tried hard to end the war early on with their operation into Kiev. The SMO was set up to be a show of force meant to deliver a quick political resolution, which they were going to get with the Istanbul Agreement just 2 months into the war. The Ukrainian government was about to sign it when Boris Johnson and NATO intervened to scuttle the deal.

If Putin did not care about the lives of his soldiers, he would have mobilized a million men and mounted a huge offensive, or at the very least mobilized to hold the territories Russia conquered in the first few months of the war. Also note that the Russians spared Ukrainian civilians completely, they never bombed cities indiscriminately.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Russia is not complicit, they tried hard to end the war early on with their operation into Kiev. The SMO was set up to be a show of force meant to deliver a quick political resolution...

This is the official normie narrative which means the opposite is true and so I'll fix it for you:

"Russia is complicit, (((they))) didn't try to end the war early (and hence this is why the war still rages on). The (((Special))) Military Operation was set up to be a slow moving meat grinder to kill as many Christian men as possible to rid Ukraine of The Orthodox Church and to destroy a nation of Christian farmers so elite Russian, American, and Israeli jews could buy up the rich soiled Ukranian farmland on the cheap in an effort to build a second Israel. The SMO was never meant to, nor was it designed to deliver a quick political solution, which again, is why the war intentionally still rages on."

 

[KomnenAl]

Russia is not complicit, they tried hard to end the war early on with their operation into Kiev. The SMO was set up to be a show of force meant to deliver a quick political resolution, which they were going to get with the Istanbul Agreement just 2 months into the war. The Ukrainian government was about to sign it when Boris Johnson and NATO intervened to scuttle the deal.

If Putin did not care about the lives of his soldiers, he would have mobilized a million men and mounted a huge offensive, or at the very least mobilized to hold the territories Russia conquered in the first few months of the war. Also note that the Russians spared Ukrainian civilians completely, they never bombed cities indiscriminately.

The SMO wasn't a show of force, it was a show of incompetence. If the aim really was swift political change, Russia should have initially commited at least half a million troops and easily encircle the Ukrainian Army east of the Dniepr, and not just 150k troops, which was totally inadequate to do the alleged job, but totally adequate to produce a stalemate. They either didn't have the will or the knowhow to execute strategic exploitation with large formations in the huge gaps that existed at the time in the Ukrainian front.

A swift victory produced by an intense 10-day committment is vastly less costly than a protracted stalemate, so the argument that Putin cared about the lives of his soldiers does not pass basic military logic. I can't believe that Putin lacks the historical knowledge to not understand this basic military tenet.

 

[Cooper]

The SMO wasn't a show of force, it was a show of incompetence. If the aim really was swift political change, Russia should have initially commited at least half a million troops and easily encircle the Ukrainian Army east of the Dniepr, and not just 150k troops, which was totally inadequate to do the alleged job, but totally adequate to produce a stalemate. They either didn't have the will or the knowhow to execute strategic exploitation with large formations in the huge gaps that existed at the time in the Ukrainian front.

A swift victory produced by an intense 10-day committment is vastly less costly than a protracted stalemate, so the argument that Putin cared about the lives of his soldiers does not pass basic military logic. I can't believe that Putin lacks the historical knowledge to not understand this basic military tenet.

Hindsight 20/20.

The early SMO was actually very successful in the south, the Russians were able to roll through and establish their land bridge to Crimea and spread across the Dniepr to Kherson. The northern operation got bogged down.

Putin's repeated mistake was more about geopolitics than military tactics, he constantly overestimated the goodwill of EU/NATO, putting too much trust into people like Merkel, going back to the Minsk Agreements, and also underestimated the degree to which NATO and the neocons would be invested in screwing Russia and using Ukraine.

 

[PurpleUrkel]

... the argument that Putin cared about the lives of his soldiers does not pass basic military logic.

100%... which means we must entertain all these JQ conspiracies where up is down and down is up because nothing about this war makes any sense. I have no military training and I can think of several better ways to have toppled the very weak and illegitimate Ukrainian government and to have taken over Ukraine with half the casualties.

Number one is you read Sun Tzu's Art Of War from 500 BC (and follow 1990's KGB protocol) and do not announce your arrival and intentions for all the world to see (and prepare for):

"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt."

If this (((Special))) Operation would have been a real war that Russia truly would have wanted to win decisively then they would have not telegraphed their intentions with a satellite photographed slow border build up and instead lopped off the head of the snake with a stealth fatal blow similar to the Israeli pager operation where they would of taken out the top 50 leaders of Ukraine simultaneously in one fell swoop. Then within minutes of taking out the top 50 brass they could have struck the 40 main Ukrainian military targets with tactical nukes. Then the Russian Military could have quickly rolled into Ukraine a week later unapposed having killed only 100,000 or so Ukrainians, and having lost zero Russian soldiers.

But again, as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan, the elite JQ intention is not decisive victory, but endless for profit war that kills as many white Christian men as possible. And on this front, "JQ Mission Accomplished."

 

[Cooper]

100%... which means we must entertain all these JQ conspiracies where up is down and down is up because nothing about this war makes any sense. I have no military training and I can think of several better ways to have toppled the very weak and illegitimate Ukrainian government and to have taken over Ukraine with half the casualties.

Number one is you read Sun Tzu's Art Of War from 500 BC (and follow 1990's KGB protocol) and do not announce your arrival and intentions for all the world to see (and prepare for):

"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt."

If this (((Special))) Operation would have been a real war that Russia truly would have wanted to win decisively then they would have not telegraphed their intentions with a satellite photographed slow border build up and instead lopped off the head of the snake with a stealth fatal blow similar to the Israeli pager operation where they would of taken out the top 50 leaders of Ukraine simultaneously in one fell swoop. Then within minutes of taking out the top 50 brass they could have struck the 40 main Ukrainian military targets with tactical nukes. Then the Russian Military could have quickly rolled into Ukraine a week later unapposed having killed only 100,000 or so Ukrainians, and having lost zero Russian soldiers.

But again, as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan, the elite JQ intention is not decisive victory, but endless for profit war that kills as many white Christian men as possible. And on this front, "JQ Mission Accomplished."

Most of these points, like the first strike use of tactical nukes or targeting of leadership, are complete non-starters that lack a basic understanding of international norms. I'm not going to waste my time explaining why.

Don't quit your dayjob.

 

[Thomas More]

100%... which means we must entertain all these JQ conspiracies where up is down and down is up because nothing about this war makes any sense. I have no military training and I can think of several better ways to have toppled the very weak and illegitimate Ukrainian government and to have taken over Ukraine with half the casualties.

Number one is you read Sun Tzu's Art Of War from 500 BC (and follow 1990's KGB protocol) and do not announce your arrival and intentions for all the world to see (and prepare for):

"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt."

If this (((Special))) Operation would have been a real war that Russia truly would have wanted to win decisively then they would have not telegraphed their intentions with a satellite photographed slow border build up and instead lopped off the head of the snake with a stealth fatal blow similar to the Israeli pager operation where they would of taken out the top 50 leaders of Ukraine simultaneously in one fell swoop. Then within minutes of taking out the top 50 brass they could have struck the 40 main Ukrainian military targets with tactical nukes. Then the Russian Military could have quickly rolled into Ukraine a week later unapposed having killed only 100,000 or so Ukrainians, and having lost zero Russian soldiers.

But again, as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan, the elite JQ intention is not decisive victory, but endless for profit war that kills as many white Christian men as possible. And on this front, "JQ Mission Accomplished."

If the US and NATO had not flooded Ukraine with $100s of billions, and with a large amount of weapons and munitions, Ukraine never could have stood up to Russia. Russia's initial forces would have swept through them and achieved their objectives. This is why Ukraine was ready to agree to a peace deal after the first two months, before Boris Johnson came in and told them not to.

Putin apparently didn't expect the US and NATO to go all in supporting Ukraine the way they did. This was probably naïve, but I think that's where the mistake was made.

 

[Droughtmeat]

If the US and NATO had not flooded Ukraine with $100s of billions, and with a large amount of weapons and munitions, Ukraine never could have stood up to Russia. Russia's initial forces would have swept through them and achieved their objectives. This is why Ukraine was ready to agree to a peace deal after the first two months, before Boris Johnson came in and told them not to.

Putin apparently didn't expect the US and NATO to go all in supporting Ukraine the way they did. This was probably naïve, but I think that's where the mistake was made.

Yep. In addition, encircling them with 500k troops would have essentially exposed 500k troops and would have been the perfect opportunity for quick NATO involvement and swift escalation to WW3.

Also, from a PR standpoint Russia is actually looking better and better, while the Ukrainian regime has shown its true colours to its own people. Now Ukrainians aren't even that opposed to the idea of having a pro Russian or neutral government, while a quick 3 day annexation of large chunks of Ukrainian territory would have caused a lot of resentment.

That said, western Ukrainians will always be resentful.

 

[KomnenAl]

Hindsight 20/20.

The early SMO was actually very successful in the south, the Russians were able to roll through and establish their land bridge to Crimea and spread across the Dniepr to Kherson. The northern operation got bogged down.

Putin's repeated mistake was more about geopolitics than military tactics, he constantly overestimated the goodwill of EU/NATO, putting too much trust into people like Merkel, going back to the Minsk Agreements, and also underestimated the degree to which NATO and the neocons would be invested in screwing Russia and using Ukraine.

Success in the south actually reinforces my point, that Russia did not plan to exploit a breakthrough in great depth. There were huge gaps in the south and around Kharkov that a large mechanized formation could have easily exploited and then encircle the entire UA. This is not hindsight, several people, including me, have wargamed the scenario several times before the war even started. And if armchair generals like me have done it, rest assured a proffessional Army could have done so with much more detail.

 

[Cooper]

^Most Russian soldiers and their leadership had no experience in large scale combat maneuvers or drone warfare, and their command structure at the beginning of the war was archaic, which also hampered them at the tactical level with for instance 24h or longer kill chains vs 1-2min today.

The Russians went from zeros in drone warfare in 2023 to the world leaders today, with dominance across the board in stand-off weaponry from cheap quads to loitering drones to FABs all the way through to Oreshniks.

 

[KomnenAl]

^Most Russian soldiers and their leadership had no experience in large scale combat maneuvers or drone warfare, and their command structure at the beginning of the war was archaic, which also hampered them at the tactical level with for instance 24h or longer kill chains vs 1-2min today.

The Russians went from zeros in drone warfare in 2023 to the world leaders today, with dominance across the board in stand-off weaponry from cheap quads to loitering drones to FABs all the way through to Oreshniks.

These are tactical issues. Drones are not decisive on the strategic level (yet). At the end of the day, boots on the ground (and tanks) still rule in conventional warfare and the Russians simply didn't commit enough early on, even though they did have available reserves to win the war. And their logistical planning was non-existent, so they couldn't even support the meagre force that was initially deployed beyond a few kilometers from the border. It was a historical strategic blunder (either intentional or from incompetence), regardless of technology and it cost thousands of lives.