Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

Pretty cool that Trump invited Putin into his presidential limousine.
It's supposed to be top secret what it actually looks like inside there, so the ex KGB agent got a early win there.


 
^They must have flown that B-2 all the way from Missouri and back just for this stunt...

Trump going into his limo first and making Putin walk around the back to get in from the other side is kind of bad manners. At least he didn't have Putin arrested and sent to the Hague... :LOL:
 



The fundamental problem of conducting diplomacy with America is that on a purely mechanical level you have zero guarantees that your agreement will still be in place in 3 years or so. Different presidential administrations might as well be different nations.

It is very obvious and clear to Russia that the next POTUS could easily denounce Trump and his entire foreign policy and declare any agreements null and void and restart the war in Ukraine or start a new one.

Russia MUST take this into account during negotiations. This is one of the core reasons why the Kremlin is always emphasizing that the "root causes" of the conflict have to be dealt with: putting a band-aid over the war is just an invitation for the next Biden to tear it off.

The fundamental security architecture must change in a way that satisfies Russian concerns; otherwise, it'll all be undone in 2029 at the latest, and the next war could very easily be much larger in scope.
Click to expand...
 
Droughtmeat said:
That's why Russians feel as though the only solution is to take over most of Ukraine. Put most likely doesn't have much interest in including western Ukrainians in the Russian state, given that they would quickly turn into armed militias, suicide bombers and be a nuisance
Click to expand...
Yes, occupying a large, hostile enemy land rarely works out well. Most people in Southern and Eastern Ukraine are not exactly pro-Russia either. But they may be more neutral and likely to accept their fate without revolting.
 
analyst_green said:
Yes, occupying a large, hostile enemy land rarely works out well. Most people in Southern and Eastern Ukraine are not exactly pro-Russia either. But they may be more neutral and likely to accept their fate without revolting.
Click to expand...

I think they are, actually. That's why there isn't much of an opposition or guerrilla movement in places like Mariupol, which have been under Russian control for over 2 years.

You might be right about the second row of oblasts further west like Dnipropetrovsk, allegiances are more split there.
 
Cooper said:
I think they are, actually. That's why there isn't much of an opposition or guerrilla movement in places like Mariupol, which have been under Russian control for over 2 years.

You might be right about the second row of oblasts further west like Dnipropetrovsk, allegiances are more split there.
Click to expand...
A lot of pro-Western people left Mariupol as well so there has been significant self-sorting going on. But yes, it is realistic for Russia to control places like that.
 
Droughtmeat said:
That's why Russians feel as though the only solution is to take over most of Ukraine. Put most likely doesn't have much interest in including western Ukrainians in the Russian state, given that they would quickly turn into armed militias, suicide bombers and be a nuisance
Click to expand...
Hard to say, I can't see them as suicide bombers, would take drugs, poor mental health, and a lot of grooming. In WWII, Ukrainians were trying not to get killed, like Armenians, while the Uzbek and other Asiatics not so much.


analyst_green said:
A lot of pro-Western people left Mariupol as well so there has been significant self-sorting going on. But yes, it is realistic for Russia to control places like that.
Click to expand...
One Polish medic volunteer said people would switch sides back and forth as either party was capturing or losing ground, trying not to be antagonistic to whoever was the overlord. When civilians get killed, naturally, hatred is elicited, worn down people might want to end it regardless,
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top