The China Thread

[forabettertomorrow]

hello my friend redlaggon I have answer for you.

I go to the China many times, I go to business. Business with China very hard, many laws, china people dont follow law bht call police if you dont follow law, China people always break promise, try steal customer, many tricks. Now I find good Russia partner in China, he speak Chinese he marry chinese woman, he buy materials for me i sell in europe.

In june I go to manzhouli my friend it on north border, I go there from.russia, later I go to plant in shandong. China change very much, business go down a lot, not like 2010 years, then money everywhere now no money, very little margin my friend but we must move.

When I come of boat in manzhouli I cannot find taxi everything online now nobody want take me because no online aplication. My wechat not update, I call old Chinese girlfriend she pick me up . China girls still love old russia man my friend some things don't ever change

My friend China change much before in 2010 years I live in shandong jinan later guangdong foshan because new plant. China in 2010 years is freedom my friend we can do everything, friends, girls, restaurants, no rules no laws just enjoy life and try earn money. Everybody happy always, everybody positive and believe in future. This gone, now China is pessimist, people don't believe in future no more, many people not have money, unemployment verry high people want go other country also no more freedom, camera's everywhere, China people know every word on wechat or speak in restaurant be monitor, people not scared but many people don't speak free anymore, better not to say forbidden thing.

China also have many electronic vehicles this is electric car , before not. Quality not good my friend I like old benzene car, real smell of car. Many China people tell me they not trust electronic vehicle it very funny. Many China people say they cannot go on highway with electronic vehicle, only small roads. Many china electronic vehicle batery burn when car go harder then 100 kilometer in hour, they only drive 80 kilometer in hour maximum because bloody scared.

My friend last thing I see in China old communist signals come back. In 2010 years no communist signals, in manzhouli I see two when leaving boat, big hammer and sickle. My friend it make me think of youth in soviet union, feel like nostalgia and my friend also many people in China become angry at united stated. Are you united states American? Many Chinese people say they think us president trump want kill China, not good.

My friend the world change we must change with world father time wait for nobody, keep fighting my brotherfriend!!

 

[Australia Sucks]

There is a big difference between Iranian expats, who are almost all liberal atheists, and locals who are mostly devout Shia Muslims. A bit less so for their urban upper class, but their urban and rural masses are definitely devout Shias. That's why all the color revolutions they have thrown at Iran have failed.

This is absolute ignorant nonsense.

Go to Iran and you will see for yourself that most Iranians are not religious. Also Iran is not Russia. Nobody in Iran supports the government. Just go to Iran and ask anybody you meet if they support the government and they hate the government. That doesn't mean thought that they want their country turned into Syria or Iraq though just to spite the government.

I bet you if the Islamic government of Iran collapsed within weeks the streets would be flooded with women walking around in mini skirts and high heels, etc.

 

[NSOE]

This is absolute ignorant nonsense.

Go to Iran and you will see for yourself that most Iranians are not religious. Also Iran is not Russia. Nobody in Iran supports the government. Just go to Iran and ask anybody you meet if they support the government and they hate the government. That doesn't mean thought that they want their country turned into Syria or Iraq though just to spite the government.

I bet you if the Islamic government of Iran collapsed within weeks the streets would be flooded with women walking around in mini skirts and high heels, etc.

I haven't been, but Doug Casey says of all Muslim countries, the Iranian people in general like Americans and have positive attitudes towards the yanks.

 

[Australia Sucks]

the Iranian people in general like Americans and have positive attitudes towards the yanks.

This is very true. As an American if you visit Iran everybody will go out of their way to be nice to you as long as you avoid discussing politics.

 

[dicknixon72]

-50,000,000 Social Credit

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

What part of the US are you from? Is there a big city in the US where you would feel safer than in any Chinese city?? You're clearly not being honest here.

You are as absolutely clueless about the USA as you are about China.

I lived all over the USA in big cities for the first 30+ years of my life, including San Francisco, and traveled in Europe, but I barely knew what a pickpocket was, having never encountered one. I had no friends who had ever been pickpocketed or mugged in all those years. I spent a few days in NYC and was not pickpocketed, although in Guangzhou it did not take that long.

When I arrived in China, I had endless warnings from local Chinese friends about pickpockets, muggers, thieves, burglars, and kidnappers, all of which I soon experienced first hand, except for kidnappers, whom my host family's mom had experienced first hand in the most uptown part of Guangzhou, where a kidnapper grabbed her from behind and put a cloth over her mouth with some substance meant to render her unconscious, but she squirmed away.

As is normal in China, no one lifted a finger to help her, which I witnessed myself time and again with thieves and pickpockets I saw on public transport over many years.

The only time my Chinese friends ever got angry with me was when I gave money to beggars or intervened to help crime or other victims on the street. This does not happen in the USA or anywhere else that I've been, where people have some concern for strangers and don't accept criminals running rampant.

Pickpockets attempted to steal from me almost daily when I used public transport in China (so I began riding a bicycle), and despite all my precautions, they were finally successful in getting my wallet*.

On separate occasions, two different security guards on the sidewalk, hired back then to prevent motorcycle thieves from grabbing phones and purses, tried to spit on me as I walked past. Nothing like this has ever happened to me anywhere else, not even close.

All the foreigners I knew there had been pickpocketed multiple times and many of them had been mugged, as well as most of them having been scammed on the street or in business. Despite that, at least 70% of the foreigners I knew there, including the ones who would admit to having been mugged and pickpocketed, had this completely irrational talking point that China was safer than the USA.

Most people are not observant and have no situational awareness. Their lack of perception becomes even more obvious in dangerous situations, which was not true of Chinese people. The girls there were ever-vigilant for rapists and took precautions that I've never seen girls in America be concerned with. I never saw a Chinese girl getting drunk in public, or alone with a man in a risky situation after going out for dinner, drinks, whatever.

The police in Guangzhou are worthless and, outside of maybe Shanghai and Beijing, the vast majority of cops there have the same reputation. If you have the temerity to report a crime to a cop, and you are not a party member or know someone important, the police will find a way to punish you for disturbing their tea time, and then give you a warning that it will be worse for you the next time you bother them.

In a big city, they will only readily get involved in a murder, breach of peace, political crimes, or maybe some subset of crimes they've outlined as their range of concern. For most property crimes, which is the vast majority of offenses and violent crimes, they couldn't care less.

China is a world of thieves, scammers, kidnappers, murderers, and worse. Some foreigners with situational awareness perceive this readily, but most do not because of their elation at being in a different culture where they are "special." Westerners have as much difficulty swallowing the redpill of China's nature as they do for the corruption back home, but I knew many foreigners with children who suddenly realized how unsafe it was for their family and abruptly skedaddled back home.

*Before I went to China, I saw A World Without Thieves (2004), a film about thieves and pickpockets in China showing almost superhuman skills at thievery, or so I thought. After living there, I realized the film wasn't that much of an exaggeration at all. World wide, pickpocket gangs cultivate the skills of their trade.

 

[Cooper]

You are as absolutely clueless about the USA as you are about China.

I lived all over the USA in big cities for the first 30+ years of my life, including San Francisco, and traveled in Europe, but I barely knew what a pickpocket was, having never encountered one. I had no friends who had ever been pickpocketed or mugged in all those years. I spent a few days in NYC and was not pickpocketed, although in Guangzhou it did not take that long.

When I arrived in China, I had endless warnings from local Chinese friends about pickpockets, muggers, thieves, burglars, and kidnappers, all of which I soon experienced first hand, except for kidnappers, whom my host family's mom had experienced first hand in the most uptown part of Guangzhou, where a kidnapper grabbed her from behind and put a cloth over her mouth with some substance meant to render her unconscious, but she squirmed away.

As is normal in China, no one lifted a finger to help her, which I witnessed myself time and again with thieves and pickpockets I saw on public transport over many years.

The only time my Chinese friends ever got angry with me was when I gave money to beggars or intervened to help crime or other victims on the street. This does not happen in the USA or anywhere else that I've been, where people have some concern for strangers and don't accept criminals running rampant.

Pickpockets attempted to steal from me almost daily when I used public transport in China (so I began riding a bicycle), and despite all my precautions, they were finally successful in getting my wallet*.

On separate occasions, two different security guards on the sidewalk, hired back then to prevent motorcycle thieves from grabbing phones and purses, tried to spit on me as I walked past. Nothing like this has ever happened to me anywhere else, not even close.

All the foreigners I knew there had been pickpocketed multiple times and many of them had been mugged, as well as most of them having been scammed on the street or in business. Despite that, at least 70% of the foreigners I knew there, including the ones who would admit to having been mugged and pickpocketed, had this completely irrational talking point that China was safer than the USA.

Most people are not observant and have no situational awareness. Their lack of perception becomes even more obvious in dangerous situations, which was not true of Chinese people. The girls there were ever-vigilant for rapists and took precautions that I've never seen girls in America be concerned with. I never saw a Chinese girl getting drunk in public, or alone with a man in a risky situation after going out for dinner, drinks, whatever.

The police in Guangzhou are worthless and, outside of maybe Shanghai and Beijing, the vast majority of cops there have the same reputation. If you have the temerity to report a crime to a cop, and you are not a party member or know someone important, the police will find a way to punish you for disturbing their tea time, and then give you a warning that it will be worse for you the next time you bother them.

In a big city, they will only readily get involved in a murder, breach of peace, political crimes, or maybe some subset of crimes they've outlined as their range of concern. For most property crimes, which is the vast majority of offenses and violent crimes, they couldn't care less.

China is a world of thieves, scammers, kidnappers, murderers, and worse. Some foreigners with situational awareness perceive this readily, but most do not because of their elation at being in a different culture where they are "special." Westerners have as much difficulty swallowing the redpill of China's nature as they do for the corruption back home, but I knew many foreigners with children who suddenly realized how unsafe it was for their family and abruptly skedaddled back home.

*Before I went to China, I saw A World Without Thieves (2004), a film about thieves and pickpockets in China showing almost superhuman skills at thievery, or so I thought. After living there, I realized the film wasn't that much of an exaggeration at all. World wide, pickpocket gangs cultivate the skills of their trade.

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You're clearly not being truthful here.

Chinese tourists are the #1 targets of organized Gypsy and other scumbag foreign pickpocket gangs that operate all over Europe, and the reason for this is that there isn't nearly the same problem in their own country, their guards are down.

In China most people don't carry cash, CCTV cameras with advanced facial recognition tech are prevalent and cellphones can be traced. Once a thief is arrested, he goes to jail, unlike the catch and release programs across the West. In that context it is pretty hard to conceive that what you are writing above is true.

I notice as well that you are focusing on pickpocketing, because muggings and violent crime are a whole lot more rare in China than in most western big cities. Property crime and vandalism as well is off the charts here. Try leaving any valuables in your locked car in NYC, SF, LA, Paris, London etc. You park your bike in the city for a few hours, it will get attention, and thieves will pry their gear and work with near impunity. You park a nice car or an SUV downtown on a night out, and hoodlums will vandalize.

San Francisco, one of the safest big cities in the US, has a homicide rate 10x higher than Shanghai. It has many ghettos like the Tenderloin, Bayview and gang-infested areas like the Mission, and hordes of aggressive homeless people on drugs or with mental problems. And of course cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, St Louis, Cleveland, DC etc are orders of magnitude worse than SF, and in no shape or form comparable to anything in China.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You're clearly not being truthful here.

Chinese tourists are the #1 targets of organized Gypsy and other scumbag foreign pickpocket gangs that operate all over Europe, and the reason for this is that there isn't nearly the same problem in their own country, their guards are down.

In China most people don't carry cash, CCTV cameras with advanced facial recognition tech are prevalent and cellphones can be traced. Once a thief is arrested, he goes to jail, unlike the catch and release programs across the West. In that context it is pretty hard to conceive that what you are writing above is true.

I notice as well that you are focusing on pickpocketing, because muggings and violent crime are a whole lot more rare in China than in most western big cities. Property crime and vandalism as well is off the charts here. Try leaving any valuables in your locked car in NYC, SF, LA, Paris, London etc. You park your bike in the city for a few hours, it will get attention, and thieves will pry their gear and work with near impunity. You park a nice car or an SUV downtown on a night out, and hoodlums will vandalize.

San Francisco, one of the safest big cities in the US, has a homicide rate 10x higher than Shanghai. It has many ghettos like the Tenderloin, Bayview and gang-infested areas like the Mission, and hordes of aggressive homeless people on drugs or with mental problems. And of course cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, St Louis, Cleveland, DC etc are orders of magnitude worse than SF, and in no shape or form comparable to anything in China.

That's the second time you've accused me of lying. Enough. Do not accuse another forum member of lying without evidence.

This is a difference of opinion. Some of it may be due to the timing of when I was there and how some things in China have changed.

You haven't spent any meaningful time whatsoever in China. You've only been there briefly on business trips. How in the world would you know what the cash carrying habits are in China? Have you ever been to the shops in the street of Guangzhou? I have. Cash is prevalent. Less so now than 2015, but it's still happening.

The part of San Francisco where I spent almost all of my time was The Tenderloin, on Geary Ave., on the northern end, which is probably the worst part. It is sketchy, but I felt much safer there than in China, and I was never accosted or pickpocketed in the 'Loin.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

The only time my Chinese friends ever got angry with me was when I gave money to beggars or intervened to help crime or other victims on the street. This does not happen in the USA or anywhere else that I've been, where people have some concern for strangers and don't accept criminals running rampant.

Asia is where starry eyed white liberals go to get traumatized. It's a fascinating phenomenon that no one wants to talk about. I definitely do. There's 3 stages. There's the denial phase. White people that will tell you it's paradise but will never be able to explain why. Then comes a pragmatic-defensiveness stage. White people saying Asia is survival of the fittest and for people with a winning attitude. Then there's the misery phase. White people who think Asia is terrible and they'll give you a laundry list of rules for survival, including not trusting anyone [lol]. All 3 these groups are at war with each other and will try to probe you to see if you belong to their clique. Obviously they can't waste their wonton soup time with unsophisticated swine like yourself.

My personal advice is basic race realism. It puts everything into place. Never stray too far from home or you'll miss it's warmth.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Asia is where starry eyed white liberals go to get traumatized. It's a fascinating phenomenon that no one wants to talk about. I definitely do. There's 3 stages. There's the denial phase. White people that will tell you it's paradise but will never be able to explain why. Then comes a pragmatic-defensiveness stage. White people saying Asia is survival of the fittest and for people with a winning attitude. Then there's the misery phase. White people who think Asia is terrible and they'll give you a laundry list of rules for survival, including not trusting anyone [lol]. All 3 these groups are at war with each other and will try to probe you to see if you belong to their clique. Obviously they can't waste their wonton soup time with unsophisticated swine like yourself.

My personal advice is basic race realism. It puts everything into place. Never stray too far from home or you'll miss it's warmth.

Everyone has their blind spots, both about the world and about themselves.

I was in China for over 13 years and I often asked myself why I stayed there past the first six months. I had recognized it as an insane hell hole the night that I arrived and it only got worse from there. I was not able to answer myself during the time that I was there why I wanted to remain. Part of it was hiding out from the horrible onslaught of techno-tyranny that I'd seen coming for a long time, which was very wishful thinking.

My first few months in China I didn't even have a cell phone, but eventually I got a Nokia brick and ran with that for several years. It was three years before I even had a bank account.

I decided to leave China when I decided to become a Christian. My sudden optimism made it a natural move. After I returned home, I realized the reason I'd been attracted to and stayed in China for so long was that I was an angry pessimist, who was filled with contempt for my fellow man, just like 99.9% of Chinese. They are the angriest people imaginable, although it's usually below the surface and most foreigners either ignore it or don't perceive it at all because of their rose-colored glasses.

China is hell on earth. It's bizarre, but as a foreigner who has the option to leave you can still have a great time there and maximize your opportunities. But you will leave, either because you realize what it really is, or you just become physically and/or emotionally exhausted from its many layers of toxicity and horror.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

All 3 these groups are at war with each other and will try to probe you to see if you belong to their clique. Obviously they can't waste their wonton soup time with unsophisticated swine like yourself.

There was something we called the foreigner death stare, which was when you saw another white person in the street and you tried to make friendly eye contact with them, as if you have something in common, but all you would get back was the "foreigner death stare."

When a person has grown up in a White country and is accustomed to some level of kindness from strangers, they are eager for another white face in the Chinese crowd, but experienced whites in China are trying to fortify all their vulnerabilities to the natives' extreme coldness and don't want to be the subject of anyone's hope in finding a kind face, or worse, a shoulder to cry on, so they give you the foreigner death stare.

Not even a good luck gweilo for old times sake.

 

[Cooper]

That's the second time you've accused me of lying. Enough. Do not accuse another forum member of lying without evidence.

This is a difference of opinion. Some of it may be due to the timing of when I was there and how some things in China have changed.

You haven't spent any meaningful time whatsoever in China. You've only been there briefly on business trips. How in the world would you know what the cash carrying habits are in China? Have you ever been to the shops in the street of Guangzhou? I have. Cash is prevalent. Less so now than 2015, but it's still happening.

The part of San Francisco where I spent almost all of my time was The Tenderloin, on Geary Ave., on the northern end, which is probably the worst part. It is sketchy, but I felt much safer there than in China, and I was never accosted or pickpocketed in the 'Loin.

You've stated, and I quote, that I was "as absolutely clueless about the USA as you are about China" and went on to make a case about how Chinese cities are more crime-riddled than American ones. That is, objectively speaking, false. There is no crime metric between the two cities you have considered, Guangzhou and SF, where SF is safer:

Crime Comparison Between San Francisco, CA, United States And Guangzhou, China. Safety Comparison.

www.numbeo.com

While I did not stay in China very long on my many visits there, I have a lot of Mainland friends who live here, and am in touch with many more, all of whom would scoff at the notion that they are less safe in China than in any American city, that is really a bridge too far for you to sell.

It sounds like you went through some difficult personal times in your long stay in China, you clearly did not fit in in that society. That's perfectly understandable as China and East Asia in general is a whole different universe, race and culture than ours, and these issues of fitting in with the locals are also present in Japan or Korea. I am perfectly aware of this, having been in a LTR with a woman from Chongqing. Your feelings of personal alienation living there over the years have clearly embittered you on that country.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You've stated, and I quote, that I was "as absolutely clueless about the USA as you are about China" and went on to make a case about how Chinese cities are more crime-riddled than American ones. That is, objectively speaking, false. There is no crime metric between the two cities you have considered, Guangzhou and SF, where SF is safer:

I have written about my personal experiences in China compared to the USA and elsewhere. I have not offered any crime metric because there are no crime stats from China that are trustworthy.

Part of globalization is reducing the West to the standards of China and the rest of the third world. Crime in the USA and the West has been rapidly increasing in intensity and variety, for example with Indian phone scammers, human trafficking and foreign burglary and pickpocketing gangs, so there is a convergence in criminality between China and the USA as we import more and more Indians, Africans, Venezuelan gangs, etc.

It's likely that some street crime in China has been on a downward trajectory, which is what I saw during my time there, when pickpocketing decreased in Guangzhou following the November 2010 Asian games because police issued a warning that any attacks on foreigners would be punished severely with 10 year imprisonments. However, there were black taxi (illegitimate taxi) kidnapping gangs still operating out of the Guangzhou Train Station at least as late as 2015. That's 10 years ago. They might have stopped the abduction of women in that scam, but child kidnapping is still rampant.

Your feelings of personal alienation living there over the years have clearly embittered you on that country.

From the moment I stepped out of the airport, my experiences in China showed me what the country and the people are like. I had culture shock longer than usual, but I got over it and thrived for many years. I know what's good there and what's not, just as I do in America and I like Chinese people 1000x more than Chinese people like Chinese people. I stopped all the time in the street to help them, while they never did that for their own countrymen.

China has improved its internal propaganda immensely since 2000. The education system teaches its students that China is a great country and naturally, since China is blocked off from outside sources of information, people there grow up in a bubble that is probably as effective at helping them rationalize its negatives as perverse egalitarianism does for Whites who travel there.

Maybe your Chinese friends are reflexively defending their homeland, which would be the normal thing to do. I remember a couple of times when students made factual statements about the USA, even innocuous things, and I instinctively denied them despite they're being true, even something like the way residential homes are built.

Few Chinese will readily admit to foreigners the faults of their own country, especially when they're abroad, which is potentially risky for them because the Chinese govt has spy programs to monitor dissident activity abroad.

 

[Australia Sucks]

This is a difference of opinion. Some of it may be due to the timing of when I was there and how some things in China have changed.

I think this is key. There is much less petty crime in China today than 20 years ago although at the expense of freedom. China is a now a complete Orwellian police state. Personally I would rather deal with the risk of pickpockets than have the big brother police state watching my every move and breathing down my neck.

 

[Cooper]

I think this is key. There is much less petty crime in China today than 20 years ago although at the expense of freedom. China is a now a complete Orwellian police state. Personally I would rather deal with the risk of pickpockets than have the big brother police state watching my every move and breathing down my neck.

We already have a police state in the West, but the policing is done on behalf of oligarchs who hate the people they rule over and economically exploit them as debt slaves, subvert and dilute their culture through mass immigration and actively destabilize society. In China mass surveillance is used to suppress crime and maintain order, providing the social stability that has provided the average Chinese with exceptional economic growth.



We have the technology to shut down crime, from street thugs to organized crime, but what we have by design is an anarcho-tyrany.

The concept of "freedom" in the west has been subverted and reduced to negative freedoms like the right to homosexual marriage and child adoption, the freedom to get your brain wasted and life ruined getting high, or to push toxic cultural sludge like Cardi B on girls. You don't have the freedom of walking downtown without fear, of not having your property seized because you missed two tax payments, of not being financially ruined because a member of your family has a serious medical condition and so forth.

I have written about my personal experiences in China compared to the USA and elsewhere. I have not offered any crime metric because there are no crime stats from China that are trustworthy.

Part of globalization is reducing the West to the standards of China and the rest of the third world. Crime in the USA and the West has been rapidly increasing in intensity and variety, for example with Indian phone scammers, human trafficking and foreign burglary and pickpocketing gangs, so there is a convergence in criminality between China and the USA as we import more and more Indians, Africans, Venezuelan gangs, etc.

It's likely that some street crime in China has been on a downward trajectory, which is what I saw during my time there, when pickpocketing decreased in Guangzhou following the November 2010 Asian games because police issued a warning that any attacks on foreigners would be punished severely with 10 year imprisonments. However, there were black taxi (illegitimate taxi) kidnapping gangs still operating out of the Guangzhou Train Station at least as late as 2015. That's 10 years ago. They might have stopped the abduction of women in that scam, but child kidnapping is still rampant.

The worst element of crime in the US is 100% homegrown.

China is not the third world, it is in many ways more advanced and a cleaner society. The homeless encampments, drugged out zombies, shootings, no-go ghettos, constant break-ins and thefts that go unpunished are in SF, LA, NYC, Chicago, London, Paris, not in Beijing, Shanghai or Chongqing.

China has improved its internal propaganda immensely since 2000. The education system teaches its students that China is a great country and naturally, since China is blocked off from outside sources of information, people there grow up in a bubble that is probably as effective at helping them rationalize its negatives as perverse egalitarianism does for Whites who travel there.

How much propaganda do they really need to do when their government raised their GDP from $1.25 trillion in 2000 to $18 Trillion today??

The governments that really need propaganda and gaslight their citizens about the rest of the world are those where the lot of the average citizen has gotten far worse off over the last several decades due to a hostile oligarchal elite. If things were really that bad in China, the US government wouldn't have had to spend $1.6 Billion on propaganda to paint China as a dystopia.

 

[RedLagoon]

We already have a police state in the West, but the policing is done on behalf of oligarchs who hate the people they rule over and economically exploit them as debt slaves, subvert and dilute their culture through mass immigration and actively destabilize society. In China mass surveillance is used to suppress crime and maintain order, providing the social stability that has provided the average Chinese with exceptional economic growth.



We have the technology to shut down crime, from street thugs to organized crime, but what we have by design is an anarcho-tyrany.

The concept of "freedom" in the west has been subverted and reduced to negative freedoms like the right to homosexual marriage and child adoption, the freedom to get your brain wasted and life ruined getting high, or to push toxic cultural sludge like Cardi B on girls. You don't have the freedom of walking downtown without fear, of not having your property seized because you missed two tax payments, of not being financially ruined because a member of your family has a serious medical condition and so forth.





The worst element of crime in the US is 100% homegrown.

China is not the third world, it is in many ways more advanced and a cleaner society. The homeless encampments, drugged out zombies, shootings, no-go ghettos, constant break-ins and thefts that go unpunished are in SF, LA, NYC, Chicago, London, Paris, not in Beijing, Shanghai or Chongqing.




How much propaganda do they really need to do when their government raised their GDP from $1.25 trillion in 2000 to $18 Trillion today??

The governments that really need propaganda and gaslight their citizens about the rest of the world are those where the lot of the average citizen has gotten far worse off over the last several decades due to a hostile oligarchal elite. If things were really that bad in China, the US government wouldn't have had to spend $1.6 Billion on propaganda to paint China as a dystopia.

Where did Henrik and Lana go? I know they have been banned for years now but it's interesting how the western free society media haven't let them back on jewtube or any other mainstream social media.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[Cooper]

Where did Henrik and Lana go? I know they have been banned for years now but it's interesting how the western free society media haven't let them back on jewtube or any other mainstream social media.

They are still on X, 121k followers, but their feed doesn't seem to be widely diffused, I get their posts mostly through searches on X.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

How much propaganda do they really need to do when their government raised their GDP from $1.25 trillion in 2000 to $18 Trillion today??

The governments that really need propaganda and gaslight their citizens about the rest of the world are those where the lot of the average citizen has gotten far worse off over the last several decades due to a hostile oligarchal elite. If things were really that bad in China, the US government wouldn't have had to spend $1.6 Billion on propaganda to paint China as a dystopia.

I think that their propaganda improving is a good thing. They should elicit as much nationalism and optimism from their citizens as possible, especially since they do have more and more wealth and resources.

My conclusion from living there for 13 years is that China overall is a dystopia. I worked and lived side-by-side with both foreigners and Chinese who agreed and disagreed with me. I would say 20-30% of foreigners who'd been there over 3 years agreed with me, while fewer than 5% of locals would be interested in that conversation. Since they can't leave or change it, it's not a happy topic for them.

Parts of China are better than others and some people who live there are doing well. I knew several families born in the 60s-70s who got jobs in China Telecom and were doing great. They were allowed to inhabit very nice apartments in central Guangzhou and, when granted early retirement in their late 40's with huge payouts, those apartments/condos were gifted to them. It was windfall after windfall.

Teachers at a university had a similar deal. They had low salaries, but were given nice apartments on campus where they could live for free, so most would sub-let and make bank while they were teaching, then when they got early retirement they could sell them, continue sub-letting, or just live their for free until death.

Of all the young people I knew, one got a good job at Bank of China out of college and received a deal like the above: lifetime employment, free apartment, dividends, etc. This is probably less than 3% of people who graduate college.

I knew only one young person who was able to buy his own apartment in the city and he owned his business. His apartment was in Foshan, which is next door and much less expensive than Guangzhou. He had a 10 year note and paid it off during the time I knew him.

That's two young people out of THOUSANDS I knew over 13 years who did well for themselves. It's not that everyone else was totally crushed under the dystopian technocratic hellscape, but many of them were, or were treading water for years while their families supported their various failed ventures into entrepreneurial restaurants, clothe shops, bike shops, etc.

And these are experience with people from the top 10% of the country whose families can pay for them to go to school in a big city all the way through college.

 

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That's two young people out of THOUSANDS I knew over 13 years who did well for themselves. It's not that everyone else was totally crushed under the dystopian technocratic hellscape, but many of them were, or were treading water for years while their families supported their various failed ventures into entrepreneurial restaurants, clothe shops, bike shops, etc.

And these are experience with people from the top 10% of the country whose families can pay for them to go to school in a big city all the way through college.

While what you are saying is true to be fair you need to look at where they started from. 50 years ago most Chinese were on the borderline of starvation so from that perspective they have made huge progress but yes there is still a long way to go before the average Chinese citizen gets to anywhere near a western standard of living which is admittedly hard when you have a country with a population well over 1 billion.