The America Party

Johnnyvee said:
He will if possible cut the DoD budget in half and pull out of NATO. I have no doubt about that. He's crazy enough to do that!
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He won't. Only the President (an office which Musk can not hold) with the approval of the Congress can pull us out of NATO.

Johnnyvee said:
If we follow the current path,
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Who is this "we" You keep talking about? Foreigners?

Johnnyvee said:
a Dem like the one below is likely next, and then another false GOP prophet, and then another leftist and on and on and on and on...
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And splitting the votes and serving liberals a super majority on a silver platter is a better alternative?
 
Johnnyvee said:
So he says the filing (made by the alleged Indian) is false! Isn't that in favour of Elon? Not that it's really important anyway. The rest is just made up dribble mostly. But Trump is a very strong supporter of legal immigration btw, so why not address that in the Trump criticism forum? You are a fanatical supporter of the next Dem radical leftist, you just don't undestand how things work, or you live in denial, or you lack the resolve to change things! Anyway, taking a long break from this nutty place...
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You need to get a grip.

There's nothing to gain from getting hysterical as man. It's a recipe for regret, and in my lived experience a stoic state is the only state that's non-demonic. Prolonged emotional states are basically lost years of your life at best.

Your comments suggest a disconnect from reality. You claim you have seen the forest for the trees. You claim you can no longer afford to wait/continue at the current trajectory. You claim Elon is a visionary. You claim you trust him. You ignore criticism. You feel some kind of personal responsibility.

You are not the main character, we're not operating on your time, and Elon doesn't know who you are and has no reason to live up to your expectations.

The reality is there's nothing you can do to help Elon Musk. You can't send him "support" telepathically. Your hearts on his tweets don't matter. There is no affirmation you can repeat during meditation. You are just an observer. Likewise, there is nothing I can do to stop Elon Musk. My disapproval means nothing. I can't cast a spell from a grimoire. I'm not going to firebomb a tesla. I am just an observer.

As the jews have demonstrated, regular people are at the mercy of those with power. Even if you're an old man, jews have had direct control of your environment and surroundings for a long time. For most of us it has been a societal decline from birth that we did not consent to and still don't.

You have violated a cardinal rule, you are allowing potential outcomes you can't control to control you.
 
budoslavic said:
I called you out because your posts are based on anti-Trump emotions and your lack of understanding in America Politics (I.e. "Old Democratic Party" vs "New Democratic Party" have different views on policies, ideologies, values, etc.)
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And to call you out of all people"!"

Guy is a non American getting upset because he can't convince actual Americans to bury their head in the sand in reverence of his globalist tech dork idol in order to believe what he believes about what is supposedly good for them in their own country.

This should all be in the clown world thread.
 
Matsufubu said:
Nurse turned off the WiFi in the padded cell, eh?
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She turned it on again briefly just so I could read the news that Trump is sending advanced US missiles to Ukraine. (Just after bombing Iran and pushing the biggest deficit spending bill in US history, burying future generations in hopeless debt just so he can look good for a few years) Oh, well...back to my padded cell!

www.bbc.com

Russia-Ukraine war: Trump says Kyiv to receive more weapons a week after US pause

The US president says he is "not happy" with Russia's Vladimir Putin and that Ukraine is "getting hit very hard".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
Johnnyvee said:
She turned it on again briefly just so I could read the news that Trump is sending advanced US missiles to Ukraine. (Just after bombing Iran and pushing the biggest deficit spending bill in US history, burying future generations in hopeless debt just so he can look good for a few years) Oh, well...back to my padded cell!

www.bbc.com

Russia-Ukraine war: Trump says Kyiv to receive more weapons a week after US pause

The US president says he is "not happy" with Russia's Vladimir Putin and that Ukraine is "getting hit very hard".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Impressive, very nice. Now do starlink, which Elon provides not only to ukraine, but also activated it in Iran where it could have been used by Israeli operatives for target acquisition, and to potentially organize a color revolution.
 
Johnnyvee said:
She turned it on again briefly just so I could read the news that Trump is sending advanced US missiles to Ukraine. (Just after bombing Iran and pushing the biggest deficit spending bill in US history, burying future generations in hopeless debt just so he can look good for a few years) Oh, well...back to my padded cell!

www.bbc.com

Russia-Ukraine war: Trump says Kyiv to receive more weapons a week after US pause

The US president says he is "not happy" with Russia's Vladimir Putin and that Ukraine is "getting hit very hard".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Awesome, what does that have to do with begging us to be fan boys of musk?
 
TruckDriver9 said:
Impressive, very nice. Now do starlink, which Elon provides not only to ukraine, but also activated it in Iran where it could have been used by Israeli operatives for target acquisition, and to potentially organize a color revolution.
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I think this is more about the general nature of the two men, Elon and Trump. I trust Elon 100 percent, due to his previous actions and personality. When seen in totality and with perspective. Even if I have some disagreements. I distrust Trump 100 percent for the same reasons. Elon has the craziness that I like. He would have been crazy enough to just pull out of NATO and cut military spending significantly. It's the passion and intelligence, which is rare in general and not seen in Trump at all.

I think it's time to let Trump go now! It's not in human nature to admit mistakes, you only need to stop talking about it. (Trump) The MAGA crowd just looks increasingly desperate and silly trying to explain away Trump's actions, finding the most obscure talking points and gotcha arguments. Continue if you wish, but you're only fooling yourself!
 
Johnnyvee said:
I think this is more about the general nature of the two men, Elon and Trump. I trust Elon 100 percent, due to his previous actions and personality. When seen in totality and with perspective. Even if I have some disagreements. I distrust Trump 100 percent for the same reasons. Elon has the craziness that I like. He would have been crazy enough to just pull out of NATO and cut military spending significantly. It's the passion and intelligence, which is rare in general and not seen in Trump at all.

I think it's time to let Trump go now! It's not in human nature to admit mistakes, you only need to stop talking about it. (Trump) The MAGA crowd just looks increasingly desperate and silly trying to explain away Trump's actions, finding the most obscure talking points and gotcha arguments. Continue if you wish, but you're only fooling yourself!
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I haven't said anything about Trump in this thread, it's You who's bringing him up. From the start I've been voicing my concerns with regards to Elon's positions on issues such as energy sector regulations (carbon tax), EV mandates, migration policy, which can not be brushed aside by repeating "balanced budget uber alles". Another issue I have with Elon's new party is the consequences of splitting the right of center vote - we've got here a different voting system than the one You are used to: plurality not majority rule in all but 3 states. The risk is real. Personally, I would be fine if Elon was to run his candidates (or run himself) in these districts where runoffs are permitted. This would be a great opportunity to test if his policies are actually supported by anyone other than online anons, without the risk of serving these seats to Dems on a silver platter. None of these concerns have been addressed.
 
Johnnyvee said:
I think this is more about the general nature of the two men, Elon and Trump. I trust Elon 100 percent, due to his previous actions and personality. When seen in totality and with perspective. Even if I have some disagreements. I distrust Trump 100 percent for the same reasons. Elon has the craziness that I like. He would have been crazy enough to just pull out of NATO and cut military spending significantly. It's the passion and intelligence, which is rare in general and not seen in Trump at all.

I think it's time to let Trump go now! It's not in human nature to admit mistakes, you only need to stop talking about it. (Trump) The MAGA crowd just looks increasingly desperate and silly trying to explain away Trump's actions, finding the most obscure talking points and gotcha arguments. Continue if you wish, but you're only fooling yourself!
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I am no Trump fan boy but I don’t see how Elon is better or is in any way the solution. If anything even more Indians will come into America under Elon then they would under Trump.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
I haven't said anything about Trump in this thread, it's You who's bringing him up. From the start I've been voicing my concerns with regards to Elon's positions on issues such as energy sector regulations (carbon tax), EV mandates, migration policy, which can not be brushed aside by repeating "balanced budget uber alles". Another issue I have with Elon's new party is the consequences of splitting the right of center vote - we've got here a different voting system than the one You are used to: plurality not majority rule in all but 3 states. The risk is real. Personally, I would be fine if Elon was to run his candidates (or run himself) in these districts where runoffs are permitted. This would be a great opportunity to test if his policies are actually supported by anyone other than online anons, without the risk of serving these seats to Dems on a silver platter. None of these concerns have been addressed.
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Fair point! I don't fear Elons ideas on immigration as much, based on what he's stated. And as I said, I trust the guy to do what he says, since he has proven that. He would push for some level of "higher order" immigration, which is a problem, but less so than what we have now, and Trump is also for that so, same, same.

When it comes to green policy, Elon is not Greta Thunberg. He goes into those things as a technologist, futurist and a dreamer. Not a dressed up communist. Things like solar are coming on fast, no matter whether you like it or not. Just look to China, it's happening. Better to be on the winning side here!

I don't know how things are gonna play out in terms of the political system. But I imagine that, like X, his mainly centrist views have broad appeal and can snatch voters from both the Dems as well as Rep electorate. Especially younger groups of voters. The boomers are hopeless, but also a dying breed!
 
Johnnyvee said:
Fair point! I don't fear Elons ideas on immigration as much, based on what he's stated. And as I said, I trust the guy to do what he says, since he has proven that. He would push for some level of "higher order" immigration, which is a problem, but less so than what we have now, and Trump is also for that so, same, same.

When it comes to green policy, Elon is not Greta Thunberg. He goes into those things as a technologist, futurist and a dreamer. Not a dressed up communist. Things like solar are coming on fast, no matter whether you like it or not. Just look to China, it's happening. Better to be on the winning side here!

I don't know how things are gonna play out in terms of the political system. But I imagine that, like X, his mainly centrist views have broad appeal and can snatch voters from both the Dems as well as Rep electorate. Especially younger groups of voters. The boomers are hopeless, but also a dying breed!
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H1bs are not centrist views.

Carbon tax is not centrist views.

Gun registration is not centrist views.

EV mandates are not centrist views.

Elmo is a major defense contractor. Pretending he's anything else but a government cheese recipient is la la land.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
H1bs are not centrist views.

Carbon tax is not centrist views.

Gun registration is not centrist views.

EV mandates are not centrist views.

Elmo is a major defense contractor. Pretending he's anything else but a government cheese recipient is la la land.
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If you define centrist as; "most voters would agree" then I think yes, they are centrist indeed! I add that Trump also supports these work visas, and Elon is a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment in general. I think Elon used to be opposed to EV mandates, but changed his mind after seeing China take a leading role.
 
Johnnyvee said:
If you define centrist as; "most voters would agree" then I think yes, they are centrist indeed! I add that Trump also supports these work visas, and Elon is a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment in general. I think Elon used to be opposed to EV mandates, but changed his mind after seeing China take a leading role.
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Except most voters in the United States do NOT agree.

Again, you'd know that If you actually lived here

Outside of East Coast and West Coast ... It's not a popular platform anywhere here
 
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