That is way more damage from a single missile than I had been thinking. I've seen a lot of explosions from the Ukraine war, and they generally don't seem to have this large of a destructive radius.
Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread
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That is way more damage from a single missile than I had been thinking. I've seen a lot of explosions from the Ukraine war, and they generally don't seem to have this large of a destructive radius.
Nah, I don't think you're characterizing it correctly and of course no one who serves believe their service meant nothing. ... but....We are all talking way past each other here in so far as not being able to understand that you can love the war fighter and yet condemning the war itself. There's nothing new I am going to add to your comments as I fundamentally disagree with your characterization on a lot of levels but do agree that we have been used for empire wars and maintaining the NWO. I can agree that the regime change wars are bad and we should stop doing them.
As for Smedley Butler, I am a Marine, he's personal hero of mine and I am very familiar with his writing (and the Business Plot as well). It still wouldn't have deterred me from becoming a Marine.
I don't support BiBi Netanjahu and I didn't support the strike in Iran. Nor the Gaza situation, not the Lebanon, Syrian, or Libya issue (though I was involved in the aftermath of it). That said, we can just be honest and call it for what it is, an Empire needs to export it's world reserve currency and that is why several of those countries were invaded by the US. Not much to dispute on that one.
Fundamentally we don't have significant differences on foreign policy... The difference lies in the constant attempt to attack and besmerch servicemen by those who would literally shit their pants at a bump in the night.
I also am not going to concede that there's some Orthodox condemnation of the soldiers either, in fact that's quite the opposite...there are many Saints from the time of Christ onward who were serving their country and became canonized..
I can be at perfect peace with that because I had a calling from God to serve my country, like many many young rural white Southern males did. I checked the box, got the good and bad experience I was looking for... And can speak about war with some authority....not just academic back and forths.
As I've stated many times, the solution to this is to restrict citizenship to only male military members, that ensures the people actually voting for the war are the ones willing to fight it.
Enjoy your fireworks. You're welcome
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I hate when former or current military men expect praise and recognition when fighting wars for the sake of empire.Enjoy your fireworks. You're welcome
If another country invaded USA and you were on the front lines defending your country then yes you deserve the respect and adulation of the general public. But none of the wars of the past 50 years had anything to do with protecting American citizens.
You did what you did and the past is the past but you don’t get to act like a hero for helping invade and occupy foreign countries. All these wars did is make America less safe because it now has more foreign enemies. Also all these foreign wars added massively to the debts of America.
It's 100 percent meant as a joke and to poke fun at you wimps who didn't do it.
Don't be upset with us for having done something with our lives that we are proud of and having a sense of humor about it.
We actually make fun of each other by saying "thank you for your service" doesn't actually mean we expect recognition.
That said , I am a elitist that does view men who didn't serve as lesser than myself on the civic front at least.
That said I've met some really bad asses from the Australian military also ...
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Mohammed Ali was a wimp for refusing the draft and going to prison for it?
Immediately following American air strikes, Iranian military officials flew to Beijing to negotiate the purchase of J-10C fighter jets and AWACS from China.
Pakistan's air force is equipped with Chinese-built fighters and missiles, and in a recent air battle against Indian forces shot down several top-line Western-built fighter jets and drones.
Chinese defense firms build equipment that is comparable or superior in quality, at considerable cost savings head-to-head against gear from NATO countries or Russia.
What's more, other militaries are struggling to build weapons at all, given that supply chains for the most advanced munitions and systems run through China for rare earth metals, and the other BRICS countries for raw materials.
If China agrees to supply Iran, it will remake the military and diplomatic landscape of the Middle East, for decades to come.
his sources:
Intelligence: Iran Seeks to Acquire Chinese J-10C Fighter Jets to Counter Israeli F-35I Superiority.https://armyrecognition.com/news/aero...
Iran set to buy Chinese J-10C fighter jets after Israeli drubbinghttps://www.indiatoday.in/world/story...
Iran Is Preparing to Buy a New Air Force from Chinahttps://nationalinterest.org/blog/buz...
China Showcases Robotic Production Of PL-15E Missileshttps://internationaldefenceanalysis....
SCMP, Indian jet shootdown: the all-robot legion behind China’s PL-15E missileshttps://www.scmp.com/news/china/scien...
CNBC, NATO allies agree to higher 5% defense spending targethttps://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/25/nato-...
BBC, Trump says NATO's new 5% defence spending pledge a 'big win'https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4...
New York Times, China’s Halt of Critical Minerals Poses Risk for U.S. Military Programshttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/us...
Pakistan's air force is equipped with Chinese-built fighters and missiles, and in a recent air battle against Indian forces shot down several top-line Western-built fighter jets and drones.
Chinese defense firms build equipment that is comparable or superior in quality, at considerable cost savings head-to-head against gear from NATO countries or Russia.
What's more, other militaries are struggling to build weapons at all, given that supply chains for the most advanced munitions and systems run through China for rare earth metals, and the other BRICS countries for raw materials.
If China agrees to supply Iran, it will remake the military and diplomatic landscape of the Middle East, for decades to come.
his sources:
Intelligence: Iran Seeks to Acquire Chinese J-10C Fighter Jets to Counter Israeli F-35I Superiority.https://armyrecognition.com/news/aero...
Iran set to buy Chinese J-10C fighter jets after Israeli drubbinghttps://www.indiatoday.in/world/story...
Iran Is Preparing to Buy a New Air Force from Chinahttps://nationalinterest.org/blog/buz...
China Showcases Robotic Production Of PL-15E Missileshttps://internationaldefenceanalysis....
SCMP, Indian jet shootdown: the all-robot legion behind China’s PL-15E missileshttps://www.scmp.com/news/china/scien...
CNBC, NATO allies agree to higher 5% defense spending targethttps://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/25/nato-...
BBC, Trump says NATO's new 5% defence spending pledge a 'big win'https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4...
New York Times, China’s Halt of Critical Minerals Poses Risk for U.S. Military Programshttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/us...
Sure, I think he was a coward making a political statement.
just because he was a professional boxer, maybe the best ever, doesn't make him a coward.
That said I don't favor the draft
Jimmie Hendrix actually served his country. I have a lot more respect for him than Mohammed Ali.
Mohammed Ali is welcome for my service too.
Again, it's really funny watching non Americans comment on American military service as though your opinion has some clout.
Australia would be a Chinese colony already if it weren't for the 5i's alliance...
That's because Russia isn't trying to kill Ukrainians.
That you're still posting without any warnings suggests that the mods here agree with your puffed up, aggressive posts when aimed at those the chief mod doesn't agree with. And the fact that far from reeling it in, you're doubling down forces me to pass comment.
You may be a tough guy, I don't know, but I doubt you're nearly as tasty as you think you are. I've met a few hard men in my time and observed many more and the real tough men almost never strut around, boast or threaten others the way you do on this forum. I've been to the US a few times and hung out around military bases in Athens and witnessed this sort of boorish, bullying behaviour many times.
It's an English thing, we just don't like it. That you can somehow square your views and behaviour with a Christian walk is baffling to me. These are not virtues and you need to get a second opinion if your spiritual advisor thinks they are.
Australia Sucks is correct in what he wrote regarding fighting in unjust wars. That you haven't reflected sufficiently on that and disavowed the US military shows that your pride, lack of insight and perspective blinds you. Many Vietnam vets had the blue pilled dilemma of coming home to an either indifferent or, worse, hostile reception. That for many was the spur to reflect, research and disavow the military as is.
There are many professions that require courage, the military being just one. The point some are trying to hammer home is there's no honour in misdirected bravery, especially that which leads to the death and suffering of others. It's like a Mafia hit man demanding respect. Fear mixed with contempt is what many unfortunate people who've been victims of American aggression feel, not admiration.
I've not led a good life and am trying my best to repent. I fall back into old behaviour, pray, rally. This Christian life is harder than anything else I've ever done. To deny and empty myself is the hardest thing I've ever do and I don't know if I'll succeed or even what success looks like. So I'm in no real position to judge you, but I felt I had to challenge you. Likely I'm not going to be posting much more here, so I pray you'll be blessed with a change of heart.
There's no contradiction in supporting soldiers who fight, opposing the leadership's misuse of them, and being a good Christian. In fact all of these things are required of being a good Christian.
The Catholic Church venerates St. George and many other warrior saints for a reason, alongside the Orthodox Church. Funny how for the first 1000 years there was no debate over this?
Also, you're doing too much pearl clutching over imperial wars; there is nothing inherently wrong with conquest.
Everyone has conquered or has been conquered. Even Abraham, who was a righteous man, according to Christ himself, conquered in the name of God.
How one uses the conquest is what matters; what the leadership does with the peace afterwards is far more important than the mere act of conquering. Killing the unrighteous and making the land righteous afterwards is what counts.
Thus when America, which has ALWAYS been an imperial nation, conquered the Indian tribes, they made the country much better off for it. They spread Christ and developed the land so that general prosperity ensued. When Germany and Japan were conquered, they too were greatly improved (in the short run).
It's funny you say you're English and therefore are opposed to conquest, when England is one of the most imperial nations of all time.
That today the leadership is corrupt and uses America's military force for evil ends does not mean conquering is inherently evil, or those who fight are guilty of the evil. Every generation has fighters and warriors, and this is ordained by God, making sure these men aren't misused is an entirely different story.
A lot of men, pre-internet age especially, had no idea how corrupt America's leadership had become. When they volunteered to serve, they did so with (mostly) pure intentions and a (mostly) pure heart. That is what counts and is what God looks at.
And God doesn't care about such things when looking at a man's life, he looks into his heart and sees if he was pure or not. Just because men are deceived does not impugn them in the eyes of God. You, along with Octopor, and Vas, are being excessively judgmental applying standards that you would probably fail if applied to yourselves.
Imagine if I said, "How could you spend years of your life doing Game? The information was out there. There is NO excuse for supporting the Talmudic destruction of our women. When was the last time Game improved a country? Correct answer: never."
We all make mistakes, poor decisions based on incomplete info, deceived by demons and men, and God is more than willing to look past all of these things for those who repent and seek to change things for the better.
In Get2Choppa's case, he served with a (mostly) pure intent and learned during his service he saw how himself and his buddies were misused. This does not mean they did the wrong thing by serving. Because in a just world, with just leadership, their service would have been used for the better and not the worse.
Get2Choppa understands this, and repents, by voting for different leadership to put America on a different path. You may not like Trump but he is changing how America operates presently and is setting us on a course that will lead America away from abusing other countries. I look at the Iran situation and see a masterfully handled situation, although I could be wrong and I won't judge you if you disagree.
We all do our best and that's what God looks at.
Tough guy or not, people are basically insulting every service man he's ever worked with for risking their life without knowing their own politicians would stab them in the back.
If he didn't get angry about that, he'd have the patience of a Saint.
I don't think anyone here agrees with America being used as a puppet to fight Israel's wars, but getting mad at soldiers for following orders and being fooled by a media that was before the internet completely controlled by Jews, instead of the people that betrayed both them and their country is backwards.
Yeah, we are only able to do good because of God, that doesn't mean we should let traitors who manipulated their own people to line their own pockets get away scotch free and attack the people they betrayed.
You have Trump in power, a massive political victory, why aren't you guys moving to get the people that caused these wars arrested?
You do realise most of those people still work in the mainstream media now. You have every incentive to get them punished for killing countless people, so what are you waiting for? The mainstream media has never been weaker, and if Trump does it as opposed to a grass roots organisation, it'll give ammunition to his enemies.
No, I didn't, I heeded the 9/11 apocalypse and made a direct effort to stay clear away from the military. Furthermore, this revelation eventually brought me to RVF and to Orthodoxy. I passed that test only because I already recognized the stench of lies and hated them and I can take this moral high ground today with full satisfaction.
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Brother, you are not perfect. Neither am I nor is anyone else. It is crazy to hold such unforgiving attitudes because all of us would inevitably fail.
You may have made some correct decisions here and there, but this does not justify you in condemning others who have failed.
I am not getting mad at them but the least they could do is admit that they were wrong to serve in the military and their service (serving the JQ agenda) harmed their country. Instead they choose to be prideful and claim they did a good thing by serving in the military and they are proud of themselves.
And this is what ultimately triggered my response. With this there is no possibility of forgiveness.
Yes, this isn't about serving. I am almost 50, and a lot of guys my age, and even those 10 to 20 years younger signed up with the intention of serving their country. To give back to the country that did so much for them. The USA used to be a nice country. And I knew of guys who passed up other good opportunities to serve in the military and give back. I was always so proud of them. I was always happy to hear they got other advantages after coming back home. One of my co-workers got pulled up from the reserves and was in Iraq for 18 months while his daughter grew here without him being around. The sacrifices these men made is extraordinary. And working with men, who served in the military, is usually a blessing. They are trained to work hard, and sacrifice for others, and I have always found former military men to be some of the best co-workers I have ever been around.
I've had talks with guys who served, and the PTSD nightmares they hide. Yesterday was the fourth of July, and I have heard so many say they don't like it because the noise brings back bad memories. I hope God blesses these men.
But now, thanks to social media and the internet, we now know that the military no longer serves the purpose of this country nor the people here. Our military are just mercenary forces for evil interests and Wall Street investments. It isn't their fault; they are forced to do as told by a satanic elite. Our military has effectively become the army of satan. And, due to the economy being destroyed, I can understand why some young people still sign up, which is to get job training and job placement when their 4 years are done. But my goal is to do my best to stop this, or at a minimum, get people to do their 4 years, and get out and keep the military missing their recruitment desires and thus continue to put pressure on satan by his army being limited in numbers and power.
I think the most important thing we can do is keep young people out of our military. And this is tough with such a bad economy, but we can keep the numbers down. As for veterans who want to cling to what they did was a good thing, that is fine by me, they have gone through hell, and I don't want to make it worse for them. As long as they are not actively trying to recruit more men to sign up.
This all started with the discussion about Soleimani and if he death was a good thing or not. It was a very stupid move to kill him in the cowardly assassination attack they did, when he was an invited guest in another country. This isn't how men fight or operate, it was a low-life move. But he was one man, and killing that one man just made the Iranian regime stronger and the IRCG stronger, as we saw last month with the power Iran now has available. Killing him in such a manner might be what saved the Iranian regime, when looking back on this in 10 years. And keeping the Iran regime in place is important to defeating the satanic elites running the west.
I've had talks with guys who served, and the PTSD nightmares they hide. Yesterday was the fourth of July, and I have heard so many say they don't like it because the noise brings back bad memories. I hope God blesses these men.
But now, thanks to social media and the internet, we now know that the military no longer serves the purpose of this country nor the people here. Our military are just mercenary forces for evil interests and Wall Street investments. It isn't their fault; they are forced to do as told by a satanic elite. Our military has effectively become the army of satan. And, due to the economy being destroyed, I can understand why some young people still sign up, which is to get job training and job placement when their 4 years are done. But my goal is to do my best to stop this, or at a minimum, get people to do their 4 years, and get out and keep the military missing their recruitment desires and thus continue to put pressure on satan by his army being limited in numbers and power.
I think the most important thing we can do is keep young people out of our military. And this is tough with such a bad economy, but we can keep the numbers down. As for veterans who want to cling to what they did was a good thing, that is fine by me, they have gone through hell, and I don't want to make it worse for them. As long as they are not actively trying to recruit more men to sign up.
This all started with the discussion about Soleimani and if he death was a good thing or not. It was a very stupid move to kill him in the cowardly assassination attack they did, when he was an invited guest in another country. This isn't how men fight or operate, it was a low-life move. But he was one man, and killing that one man just made the Iranian regime stronger and the IRCG stronger, as we saw last month with the power Iran now has available. Killing him in such a manner might be what saved the Iranian regime, when looking back on this in 10 years. And keeping the Iran regime in place is important to defeating the satanic elites running the west.
I thought the Israelis were arresting people who posted evidence of any damage around their cities?
Apples to oranges. We can talk about my non-military civilian life and it's failings and shortcomings and I will admit to that highly flawed life, but it is a different subject from the arrogant braggadocious spirit of a military man who knowingly volunteers to leave his homeland which is not being invaded to kill men in another country at the behest of jews, yet will not admit that he was in the wrong and a fool to do so.
Furthermore, we are arguing in good faith, unlike a military cultist would. We are just pointing out known facts from atleast the Vietnam era. All the lessons from fake, unnecessary war and Smedley Butler's 1935 "War Is A Racket" and Eisenhower's 1961 "Military Industrial Complex" speech just repetitively getting memory holed by generation after generation of (((US))) military volunteers in what can only be called "willful ignorance."
These attitudes must be strong (I wouldn't call them "unforgiving") to match and combat the zeal and commitment of US military cultists who rarely, if ever betray the cult with humility and honesty about the overall negative impact of their "service" on America and the world.
Exactly.
This is what we do around here. Have you not read and participated in The Destruction Of Modern Women and JQ threads? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The US military should not be a blue pilled subject to be handled with kid gloves. It is not a special category that deserves special treatment and it should by analyzed and discussed with the same honesty and academic rigor as any other subject on CiK.
False. These military cultists are the one's who go around doing the insulting and starting this sh*t nonstop with "I'm your hero, I saved you from foreign invasion (except from the wetbacks and panjeets who somehow slipped by our front lines), you owe me your freedom and you are a coward who hates America for not serving!," and when you simply reply "You got your legs blown off for nothing," they completely melt down and want to kill you. F*ck that sh*t.
And give us a break with "they didn't know their own (((politicians))) would stab them in the back." Have you/they not ever watched one war movie or documentary? Willful ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for doing the wrong thing.
You've got to be joking. All the vets implying special status for serving are not actually expecting anyone to kiss their ass. Almost no one actually does this ... In fact it's quite awkward when someone says thank you for your service...
Also at 18 years old, which is a vast majority of the servicemen, (also rural and white) do you honestly think that we are worried about the president or do you not recognize that most folks in that situation believe in the nobility of service and see the opportunity for life experience? Not everyone is a Marine who's changing Kill Kill Kill, most folks are just looking for a way forward in life and that's their path.
Your castigation reeks of someone with either jealousy or seeking affirmation for not making that decision or something else. Not sure.
Also again you're conflating political realities (H1B and border laws) with military service. This is the heights of non- linear argument as the military doesn't set the engagements, the political class does. So whet the fuck are you talking about? Blame the 1965 Hart seller bill and Bush and Biden and Obama and all that for the amnesty and H1bs not the servicemen...they don't control that anyway.
Again, to me it kinda comes off like you do this out of jealousy... Because no one else would feel the need to poke at people who have done something you haven't unless you legitimately felt inferior.
Now if you want to be jealous you don't get a free steak at apple bees..., that's your projection....and since you didn't serve you're not going to understand the bond that comrades in arms have. It's fundamentally impossible for you to understand.
We say thank your for your service to mock each other... And occasionally pass a shitty remark to people like you who in a tongue and cheek manner to say " you're welcome" because we are giving it back to you to call you a pussy... It doesn't mean you're not a capable man, it's just you've not been tested and thus it's impossible for someone who has to take your comments seriously.
Yes, I do believe that military service is the ultimate fulfillment of civic duty, and if you're a reader you can explore this in Starship Trooper (not the shitty movie but the book)... But none the less, its not incongruent to say that the war is bad but the warrior can be good.
As far as some of your other comments about people losing legs and all that.... Yeah it's chickenshit and if you did say that to someone you legitimately deserve a grade a ass whooping. But of course you don't actually say that to anyone.... It's just Internet speak.
It doesn't make you a cultist to want to serve your country in whatever means you believe is right. For many many folks, there the military. For some it's the peace corps, for others it might be a political position. There is such a thing as altruistic service and many join with the hope that they'll be out to good use for Good vs evil. Often that isn't the case because War is Hell...
But hey, if you want to call us all baby killers and all that, sure go ahead... Won't be the first or the last time thats happened.
This is really taking away from the Israel Iran thread, but some of the nonsense here has to be addressed. No one is pretending that there is a reason to continue war in the ME ... But if you're thinking that denigrating the American fighting man is going to win you brownie points you're gonna get laughed out of the conversation...
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