Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

Ember said:
It turns out that this thread was on my ignore list, which is why I could not see it or get a search result. Strange, because I don't recall ever putting any thread on ignore.

Anyway, Is Congress really considering giving B-2 bombers to Israel? If they do, I can foresee some getting shot down. Russia will supply S400 AA at some point. So far, Iran has refused them, but that will change. B-2 are not invisible to all radar bands, just some of them.

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We absolutely should NOT be giving them b2s

Terrible idea.

They'll just sell the tech to China
 
Cooper said:
China already has its version of the B2, the bigger problem is that they now can draw the US into a bigger war.
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I'm not sure how same same there version of the stealth bomber is but I'm aware they have a similar platform.

The issue is that with the Technical Data Package, you're able to analyze all defeat angles and make the system more vulnerable being shot down.

All militaries have a general understanding of the others capabilities, but having the TDP is significant.
Cooper said:
Their current fleet can't bomb bunkers, with the B2s they can try to extend the war.
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Agreed
 
Cooper said:
China already has its version of the B2, the bigger problem is that they now can draw the US into a bigger war. Their current fleet can't bomb bunkers, with the B2s they can try to extend the war.
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China does not currently have a long-range heavy strategic bomber much less an advanced stealth heavy bomber. Period.
 
Samseau said:
Everyone is ignorant, including you. It's hypocrisy to judge others for it. All of us, all the time, are constantly battling against a massive deficit of knowledge. Understanding the world is extremely difficult, which is filled with falsehoods and distractions, making it a miracle that we learn any Truth at all.

It is God that provides us knowledge, not our own devices. Thinking "you" are the one discovering things is just pride, God is the one who leads us to Him (who is the Truth). Thus it is impossible for people to simply "discover" the Truth, what they actually need is a spiritual conversion, and then they will be open to the Truth.

Such conversions can take years, decades or more, and God does not judge us for how long it takes as long as we are able to come home to Him. Hence the parable of Prodigal Son.

So a young man who naïvely joins the military is never judged by God, which is why some of the most revered Saints were active military men, such as St. George. St. George served for the Roman Empire that would burn Christians at the stake, the same Empire that would torture and murder him, and is given the highest of praises.

Why? Because God ended up using that same evil Roman Empire to make the backbone of Christendom for the next 2000 years. What you think as "evil" is merely another tool for God in His infinite wisdom. We are the ignorant ones, He is the wise One.

Thus God has his pious young men join the American military, serving Talmudic interests, because God's plan involves all of it towards His Kingdom in ways none of us can ever understand. Hence why the Church teaches to respect the military, even when you disagree with it's ends, and to pay your tax, even when it is oppressive and wasted.


This is silly; bombing a country after giving them advance notice hardly constitutes an evil act. Nations have always fought each other for power, especially heathen nations against Christian ones. It doesn't matter if Talmuds are involved or not, without Talmuds we'd still be engaging with wars with other countries for power or profit. This is part of the fallen nature of man and it is completely unavoidable.

Hence why St. Constantine or St. Justinian are considered saints, despite being ruthless kings, because it was always understood that politics is a messy, disgusting game involving this fallen world, and that we must judge the consequences of such people as much as their intentions.

In Trump's case, his intentions are to appease the Talmuds and keep power (bad), but the consequences have been trivial in the extreme (good). Hardly an extreme evil act, unlike the Ukraine War which has killed millions. Since we have to measure consequences we always take the lesser of evils in order to protect our Neighbors as much as possible.

There is a role for those with pure intentions and actions, and these are our Priests and clergymen, but politics is not and never will be such a place for purity.
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"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,"
2 Thessalonians 2:12

You are using half-truths to somewhat legitimize the 'weapons of mass destruction' hoax preceded by 9/11 false flag which turned into another power-grab and unjust genocide conducted for the gain of satanic, western banking elite. Nothing about it can be excused or justified. But hang on a minute, there is a hidden hypocrisy here. You are expecting me to be lenient when it comes to the US military which has done the work of the devil since the Civil War yet totally condemn Germany's military action against the western, Rotchild powers. Which satan do you prefer? One that is less bad but had none of your people in it or the one that is utterly bad and has your people in it? How does the Wehrmacht differ from Marines exactly? I know how. Because 'we are the good guys' trope. No. Not even close. The modern US military works purely for the kabbalistic, global interest. It's guilty as sin and anyone who puts on that wretched uniform is the lover of lies destined to be condemned. 9/11 was a clear revelation to be heeded accordingly exactly like the coof was. The US could only had the military might that it had because of the enormous amount of bemused men who signed up for it. This same military booted all those men who had a shred of morality left in them when they objected to another one of satan's loyalty checks. If you're not going to educate yourself whom your military have been serving since American Civil War and draw proper conclusions from it no one will correct that error for you and you will still to be serving satan and wonder why the rest of the world hates your guts.
 
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Острог said:
"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,"
2 Thessalonians 2:12

You are using half-truths to somewhat legitimize the 'weapons of mass destruction' hoax preceded by 9/11 false flag which turned into another power-grab and unjust genocide conducted for the gain of satanic, western banking elite. Nothing about it can be excused or justified. But hang on a minute, there is a hidden hypocrisy on your part here. You are expecting me to be lenient when it comes to the US military which has done the work of the devil since the Civil War yet totally condemn Germany's military action against the western, Rotchild powers. Which satan do you support? One that is less bad but had none of your people in it or the one that is universally bad and has your people in it? How does the Wehrmacht differ from Marines exactly? I know how. Because 'we are the good guys' trope. No. Not even close. The modern US military works purely for the kabbalistic, global interest. The US military is guilty as sin and anyone who sings up for it is the lover of lies to be condemned along with it. 9/11 was a clear red pill. The US could only had the military might that it had because of the enormous amount of bemused men who signed up for it. If you're not going to educate yourself who you've been serving since your Civil War and draw correct conclusions from it no one will correct that error for you.
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I'm still wondering where this joker is from for context.

You're clear lack of understanding on the type of person who serves is pretty funny.

Hindsight is 20/20 and we all agree are pretty much aligned on 911.

The position you hold is not what the The Church holds, about military service... So my advice is touch grass and cool it with the sanctimonious pontification. Youre no better than an a Pharisee.

Also Happy Forth of July, you can thank me for my service! I suspect you muted me because of your low threshold for discourse... Which is exactly what I expected from someone whose claiming to represent Orthodoxy yet quite conflicted on squaring the circle on Orthodox Priests in the Military as as Orthodox laymen serving...

But hey, keep on living in the world of Internet delusions. This sort of sillyness would be met with strong rebuke in person and probably violence to reinforce the stupidity of the argument. But you keep on setting the world to rights man!
 
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Острог said:
You will still to be serving satan and wonder why the rest of the world hates your guts.
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Why should anyone care what "the world" likes or despises? With that said, it's quite interesting that people by the millions still seek to come to the United States since they all hate us according to you.

Also, do you believe the rest of the world is less evil than the US? Do you think China, Iran, and Russia are righteous? Do North Korea and Yemen please God Almighty? How about Saudi Arabia?

I believe you are delusional, and likely a victim of propaganda. I apologize if that offends you, but that's what I think based off your posts that I've read

I have no difficulty in acknowledging the faults of the United States, but there's nowhere else I'd rather live my life.
 
Indians aren't necessarily trying to destroy the US or any Western nations for that matter with any real thought behind it. They're roaches wanting everything for nothing while stinking the place up, that's what the real danger with that lot is. With their numbers they're the real problem in the coming age, not the Chinaman.
 
RedLagoon said:
Indians aren't necessarily trying to destroy the US or any Western nations for that matter with any real thought behind it. They're roaches wanting everything for nothing while stinking the place up, that's what the real danger with that lot is. With their numbers they're the real problem in the coming age, not the Chinaman.
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Agreed. Nobody sells everything and saves up their money to move around the world because they are driven to destroy the US from within. They do it for selfish motives that just happen destroy the US from within. Some of the people who allow and invite them into the US who have these motives, but even these are often just looking to make a buck from hiring cheaper labor.
 
WaveMechanic said:
Why should anyone care what "the world" likes or despises? With that said, it's quite interesting that people by the millions still seek to come to the United States since they all hate us according to you.

Also, do you believe the rest of the world is less evil than the US? Do you think China, Iran, and Russia are righteous? Do North Korea and Yemen please God Almighty? How about Saudi Arabia?

I believe you are delusional, and likely a victim of propaganda. I apologize if that offends you, but that's what I think based off your posts that I've read

I have no difficulty in acknowledging the faults of the United States, but there's nowhere else I'd rather live my life.
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Merle Haggard encapsulated it in Fighting Side of Me.

I bet @budoslavic can confirm since he always has an ability to find previous posts ... But it's clear this homie ain't an American also.

That said....
It's reasonable to criticize a government. It's another thing to presume that the men with the courage to serve the country are part of the same Ilk as the liars and kabalists.




I hear people talkin' bad about the way we have to live here in this country
Harpin' on the wars we fight, an' gripin' 'bout the way things oughta be
An' I don't mind 'em switchin' sides, an' standin' up for things they believe in
When they're runnin' down my country, man
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down a way of life our fightin' men have fought and died to keep
If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'
When you're runnin' down my country, man
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
I read about some squirrely guy who claims he just don't believe in fightin'
An' I wonder just how long the rest of us can count on bein' free
They love our milk an' honey, but they preach about some other way of livin'
When they're runnin' down my country, hoss
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down a way of life our fightin' men have fought and died to keep
If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'
When you're runnin' down my country, man
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down a way of life our fightin' men have fought and died to keep
If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'
When you're runnin' down my country, man
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
 
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