Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

^ It’s multidimensional quantum chess guys, and only a handful of patriots are smart enough to understand the ultimate plan under the layers upon layers of deception. Trump is still our guy, he’s just tricking us on the surface because he’s so smart, and even if he’s not, the guys who are really in charge are totally fighting for you behind the scenes, you’re all just too dumb to understand it. It only seems like the president is lying to you to your face but you have to trust us because you can’t trust him, at least just only what he says and does, but it’s all going to be ok in the end. Just keep supporting him and the Republican Party in the next election cycle, because the real victories are coming just after the midterms.

Even if the people supporting the theory that the Party is dealing shrewdly with Israel are correct, they have to understand they’re losing the PR battle. Your cleverness makes no difference if you appear to be shafting your own supporters. You won’t sit long on the throne if your enemies don’t fear you, your own base mocks you, and you cannot decisively pursue your goals. You come off looking like a weak buffoon if your closest supporters have to explain to the base why everything that appears to be a loss is really a victory, or why every betrayal is really a fortification.
 
^ It’s multidimensional quantum chess guys, and only a handful of patriots are smart enough to understand the ultimate plan under the layers upon layers of deception. Trump is still our guy, he’s just tricking us on the surface because he’s so smart, and even if he’s not, the guys who are really in charge are totally fighting for you behind the scenes, you’re all just too dumb to understand it. It only seems like the president is lying to you to your face but you have to trust us because you can’t trust him, at least just only what he says and does, but it’s all going to be ok in the end. Just keep supporting him and the Republican Party in the next election cycle, because the real victories are coming just after the midterms.

Even if the people supporting the theory that the Party is dealing shrewdly with Israel are correct, they have to understand they’re losing the PR battle. Your cleverness makes no difference if you appear to be shafting your own supporters. You won’t sit long on the throne if your enemies don’t fear you, your own base mocks you, and you cannot decisively pursue your goals. You come off looking like a weak buffoon if your closest supporters have to explain to the base why everything that appears to be a loss is really a victory, or why every betrayal is really a fortification.
I'm not saying he's correct and I am not saying it's going to work out well. I just suspect that's his calculation. I happen to agree with the criticism of Bannon and Tucker on Trump's recent actions and criticism of Israel.

I don't think that all people have as much of a cyclical view as folks here do, there's plenty of criticism if Trump that even his fans have, myself included... But again compared to Kamala I'm not going to purity spiral that this is not better than the alternative.
 
Or Trump just figures he has more leverage over BiBi with him under the threat of indictment/trial than he would with a new leader. So he says that to convince the Israeli gov to chill if they want more money flowing from the US.
If Netanyahu goes on trial, gets convicted and sent to prison, there would be no need for that leverage. But, oh look... saved by his BFF, for now at least.
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Both of you guys speak like you have any idea what's going on, pretty amusing at your own hubris and ignorance.
A lot of the men I cited in my posts explained why neither Europe, Israhell or US has the capacity to conduct such war. It's a fallacy. Trump had to pull out of Ukraine because Iran would be absolutely impossible. He knew it was coming. It was planned since the 90's. He will fail because it's still impossible for US army to mow over Iran like Iraq.

I come to the conclusion that you're simply CIK's Ben Samshiro. Placating users with conservative views on less important matters but keeping the Overton Window in favor of Israhell where it matters. You just can't be more FED even if you wanted to. You are selling the same Qanal, 666D chess we've seen since the first term and I ain't buying.
 
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Trump didn't prevent WW3! We just had 4 years of Biden and the same situation with Russia-Ukraine as now, so that proves it. Plus Russia has nukes! (WW3 posting is meaningless) Now with the record budget-deficit spending, being best buddies with Bibi, pushing for lower interest rates with high price inflation and the associated tariff debacle...It's not going too well I would have to say. Not that Trump can't do anything right, but he's just too much of a boomer and not smart enough!
 
I'm not saying he's correct and I am not saying it's going to work out well. I just suspect that's his calculation. I happen to agree with the criticism of Bannon and Tucker on Trump's recent actions and criticism of Israel.

I don't think that all people have as much of a cyclical view as folks here do, there's plenty of criticism if Trump that even his fans have, myself included... But again compared to Kamala I'm not going to purity spiral that this is not better than the alternative.
Once again we get the quick fry or simmer in the pan argument and no mention of the fact that you're still getting cooked. Seeing things as the evidence suggests they are isn't cynicism, it's sober mindedness.
 
Furthermore, you called Adolf a moron for destroying his country by getting into a war he couldn't win. Trump is doing the same as we speak! America will never recover from another Iraq.
 
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Trump is still our guy, he’s just tricking us on the surface because he’s so smart, and even if he’s not, the guys who are really in charge are totally fighting for you behind the scenes
No one is fighting for us, we're using Trump to exploit the preferences of Zionists to preserve our own country.

In politics, there is only self-interest, there is no such thing as good guys.

You're still talking about Trump, which is basically normie-tier politics. Ultra boring and exactly why the American public gets steamrolled by the system.
 
After 4 years of Trump the debt burden will be massively increased. Price inflation will also accelerate from already high levels, and Trump will be so hated that it sets things up for a leftist candidate in -28. That means almost 8 years wait for any hope of a better President! That is not preserving anything. He's chased out Elon also, who was the only intelligent person in the extended admin...
 
After 4 years of Trump the debt burden will be massively increased. Price inflation will also accelerate from already high levels, and Trump will be so hated that it sets things up for a leftist candidate in -28. That means almost 8 years wait for any hope of a better President! That is not preserving anything. He's chased out Elon also, who was the only intelligent person in the extended admin...

The see-saw nature of American politics has nothing to do with Trump, nor is that a good reason not to support Trump. Elon is doing too many drugs or something, none of his arguments make sense.

Elon claims the BBB will explode the deficit, and yet if we don't pass the BBB then the deficit explodes 2x more than what it is now, AND taxes raise, AND American becomes a brown third-world craphole.

It does seem like Elon is just bitter because the BBB cuts out the wasteful green energy projects which he has profited from for so long.
 
The see-saw nature of American politics has nothing to do with Trump, nor is that a good reason not to support Trump. Elon is doing too many drugs or something, none of his arguments make sense.

Elon claims the BBB will explode the deficit, and yet if we don't pass the BBB then the deficit explodes 2x more than what it is now, AND taxes raise, AND American becomes a brown third-world craphole.

It does seem like Elon is just bitter because the BBB cuts out the wasteful green energy projects which he has profited from for so long.

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record budget-deficit spending
They're extending tax cuts from 2017 with the Beautiful Bill, boosting border security spending, more money for defense and other cuts effecting Democrat programs. When they say it's "expensive" they're talking about the tax revenue loss.

Unless Musk explains himself we can only assume he's retarded. His nerd team was great at finding the grift with DOGE when sifting through the numbers but when it comes to the bill he either wants higher taxation or his panties got twisted somehow, while refusing to elaborate.

If he was told that politics comes before integrity that's one thing but he's a mess to begin with. Elon wants to live up to some genius status. Thinks he or his "vision" is important, brags about being a super nerd [what a genius is], tries to imitate Chad by banging toilet cleaners at hotels [equivalent of], doubles down on off the wall ideas [a human has eyes therefore automation should rely on cameras], got brown nosers working for him [bad sign], and likely believes in some delusion that innovation comes from brown engineers desperate to prove themselves by pinkie promising him results. I recently checked if dash cams got better so I have no doubt he's retarded.
 
They're extending tax cuts from 2017 with the Beautiful Bill, boosting border security spending, more money for defense and other cuts effecting Democrat programs. When they say it's "expensive" they're talking about the tax revenue loss.

Unless Musk explains himself we can only assume he's retarded. His nerd team was great at finding the grift with DOGE when sifting through the numbers but when it comes to the bill he either wants higher taxation or his panties got twisted somehow, while refusing to elaborate.

If he was told that politics comes before integrity that's one thing but he's a mess to begin with. Elon wants to live up to some genius status. Thinks he or his "vision" is important, brags about being a super nerd [what a genius is], tries to imitate Chad by banging toilet cleaners at hotels [equivalent of], doubles down on off the wall ideas [a human has eyes therefore automation should rely on cameras], got brown nosers working for him [bad sign], and likely believes in some delusion that innovation comes from brown engineers desperate to prove themselves by pinkie promising him results. I recently checked if dash cams got better so I have no doubt he's retarded.

Spending is spending! They get less tax revenue and will have to print more money to make up for it, leading to higher deficits, larger debt and more price inflation. (as we all should know by now) Tax less = Spend less!
 
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Once again we get the quick fry or simmer in the pan argument and no mention of the fact that you're still getting cooked. Seeing things as the evidence suggests they are isn't cynicism, it's sober mindedness.
I don't believe in getting cooked at all... And I don't think majority of the non CIK voters out there have the same take that is so prevalent here.

Most people see their day to day lives as vastly incrementally better than they were a year ago or they were under biden.

I do believe that people here are inherently cynical towards Trump, chose to only see the negative when there is in fact a lot of good as well.

I don't see the political spectrum as absolutes, and people are only good or only bad, rather pragmatic. Again, I've ordered criticism of Trump and stated I don't agree with everything.
 
I don't believe in getting cooked at all... And I don't think majority of the non CIK voters out there have the same take that is so prevalent here.

Most people see their day to day lives as vastly incrementally better than they were a year ago or they were under biden.

I do believe that people here are inherently cynical towards Trump, chose to only see the negative when there is in fact a lot of good as well.

I don't see the political spectrum as absolutes, and people are only good or only bad, rather pragmatic. Again, I've ordered criticism of Trump and stated I don't agree with everything.
I talk to a lot of people, I have a very social interactive job. All walks of life, inner city, suburban, small town. I have a lot invested due to my age, I talk to loan officers, financial planners, market traders. My former roommate does import pricing for restaurants and grocery stores.

I have heard no one say things are incrementally better. I can back this up with the US consumer confidence reports, that show that average consumers still have a negative outlook on the economy. I just talked to a loan officer last week, and they just kind of went off on a spiel about how expensive everything is and that the middle class is disappearing quickly.

In 6 months, nothing has changed. 6 months is a short amount of time, and I think they will cut interest rates next go around, which will help boost the economy, as long as we stay out of war. So, I do think the economy will get slightly better, but it will never get good enough to allow young people to buy a home and start a family on a large scale, so there will still be major problems ahead. And at the end of the day this is all that matters. When young men are not allowed to participate in society, all bets are off as to how bad it will get.

My point is, the economy isn't better, nothing has changed, and what little will change will be the interest rate cuts, which Trump can't take much credit for, especially with this disaster BBB that he will sign that will one day cause inflation to go up again due to the huge price tag of it.
 
This is the first time I've heard anyone, online or offline, say this since Trump got elected. Even my pro-Trump friend has a different sentiment after getting laid off due to the business anticipating the wind energy cuts in the BBB.
I suppose it depends on your circle and profession. My friends and I are doing well, but we are all in the oil and gas sector. With the exceptions of those who work at Shell and BP... Because they have been investing in green woke shit for too long and finally seeing the chickens coming home to roost
 
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