Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

[PurpleUrkel]

Anyone who volunteers to be sent on a mission to a foreign country is guilty as charged, especially when it's for the bidding of US. And I don't care if he was a medic, driver, cook. If you're there in a military uniform you're already guilty. I have a friend from Poland who was in Afghanistan. Poland wasn't attacked by Afghanistan, Poland had no business to go there, it wasn't Poland's war. The only reason these soldiers were there was to do the bidding of Satanic Rotchilds. It was utter disgrace and dishonor. Being a jewish pawn. If I weren't a Christian I'd expect him to off himself like in the old days. Ultimately he didn't come back the same because he was ordered to shoot children, yes, you read it right. So whenever someone who engaged in anything other than training and strictly defensive military action at the borders of their own country tries to justify their deeds I have zero tolerance for that person. No level of heat makes evil offensive moral. It's one of the ways soldiers try to absolve themselves from their guilt.




Strawman argument. Point a post where I approved him doing that. Putin kissing Qoran doesn't justify westerners shooting muslims in their country. If anyone you should go after jews who import them into US and Europe.

You know, you had a redpill going until the thing about Putin which totally contradicted you're entire post about normies going into other countries at the behest of the elites to do (((Their))) dirty work. You Putin guys are too much. Every world leader is compromised except The Jews Are Victims Vlad. He kisses the Koran, never says the words "Jesus Christ," claims the jews are "victims," and like you, keeps using the words US/America instead of the words " the jews who control America."

As far as calling serving in the military the work of Satan... zero chance you're going around saying that to actual veteterans.

Of course not because not only would that be rude, but dangerous. But as someone who protested the illegal Iraq war/invasion in November 2001 and got arrested for doing so and then had to listen to "conservatives" and military volunteers get everything about that illegal, immoral, uneccessary war wrong for the better part of two decades before they would admit that it was the biggest military blunder and waste of blood and treasure in US history, I privately think to myself "I tried to warn you, and so now how does it feel to have lifelong PTSD and/or to have gotten your legs blown off for nothing?"

The truth hurts, but hey, "JQ Mission Accomplished."

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[TruckDriver9]

Key Conclusions from the Discussion:
1. **U.S. Strike Effectiveness Unclear**
- Fordow facility's depth makes damage assessment impossible short-term; competing narratives (Trump's "success" vs. analysts' "symbolic failure") serve political goals.
- Evidence suggests Iran preemptively relocated nuclear materials (per Scott Ritter/Russian sources), making the strike strategically hollow.

At this point, any talk about about the effectiveness of American airstrikes, or lack of thereof, is pure speculation. The strike was unprecedented - first attempt to penetrate a mountain with bombs, and the first combat use of GBU-57 MOPs. There's simply nothing to compare to. Until the Iranians open up the entry tunnels (which they buried themselves) we might as well try reading the tea leaves.

 

[Cooper]

Good rundown on Israeli losses:



Thomas Keith
Israel entered the 12-day exchange convinced it could absorb costs; the ledger now shows a nation bleeding cash, talent, and confidence. Direct military outlays hit $5 B in the first week, then ballooned to $725 M every 24 hours, $593 M on offensive strikes that failed to silence Iran, $132 M on frantic mobilisation and missile intercepts that still let 400 warheads through. Iron Dome batteries alone inhaled $10 M to $200 M per day while Iranian salvos sailed past them and erased $1.47 B in civilian property, triggering 38 700 damage claims, 11 000 evacuations, and 30 condemned high-rise skeletons across Tel Aviv’s financial spine.

The Weizmann Institute, Israel’s prestige export, lies in shards, 45 labs gone and $500 M in biomedical IP incinerated, pulling decades of grant pipelines and pharma partnerships off the table overnight. Intel’s Kiryat Gat fabs froze mid-wafer, choking a supply chain that feeds 64 % of Israel’s exports and 1/5 of its GDP; the high-tech sector now runs on skeleton crews because 300 000 reservists were yanked from R&D floors and data centers to guard empty runways at Tel Nof. Commercial flights halted twice at Ben Gurion, insurers jacked premiums, and foreign airlines rerouted around a country that once sold itself as the region’s safe hub.

Capital is already in flight. More than 80 000 Israelis emigrated in 2024, the largest outflow since 1948, pushing the two-year total above 500 000 and forcing Netanyahu’s cabinet to slap a travel ban on Jewish dual nationals to stem the leak. Investor confidence cratered: venture funds paused term sheets, construction sites stand idle, and mega-projects wait on credit that no longer clears. The finance ministry, staring at a deficit set to shove public debt past 75 % of GDP, begged for an extra $857 M in defence cash while slicing $200 M from hospitals and schools.

Analysts peg Israel’s aggregate loss between $11.5 B and $17.8 B, up to 3.3 % of GDP, before counting long-tail hits from halted exports, cancelled IPOs, and sovereign-risk downgrades. Iran, still sitting on its uranium stockpile, spent a fraction of that yet forced the self-styled “Start-Up Nation” into a liquidity scramble, an insurance panic, and a brain-drain spiral. Tel Aviv promised deterrence; Tehran handed it a balance sheet in red ink and the visible stamp of strategic humiliation.

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This is the kind of damage I have alluded too in my posts above.

US taxpayers will foot the bill, but the image and psychological damage to the Israeli project is irreversible.

 

[Cooper]

More details on the damage assessment and political fallout from Iranian bombings:



Before its removal, it revealed that 41,651 compensation claims had been filed by Israeli citizens for war-related damages as of 25 June 2025. It excluded the most recent Iranian strikes and omitted numerous frontline localities. Yet even in its partial state, it exposed the underlying reason for Israel’s abrupt acceptance of a ceasefire with Iran: fiscal exhaustion. The war did not end because it was won. It paused because the state could no longer finance its continuation.

The published figures break down as follows:32,975 claims for damaged buildings4,119 for damaged vehicles4,456 for equipment and contents (2/8)

Officials themselves acknowledged that “thousands more buildings” have been damaged with no claims yet filed. In reality, total claims likely exceed 150,000, revealing the scale of economic dislocation. The Compensation Fund deployed 140 field teams and an additional 12 officials in hotels to manage evictions and assess destruction. But this apparatus is not a measure of resilience. It is a signal that the state was overwhelmed and redeploying administrative capacity inward, toward civilian triage. (4/8)

This internal strain coincided with a paralysing institutional standoff. The Ministry of Defense demanded 60 billion shekels in emergency allocations to sustain operations. The Ministry of Finance resisted. Munitions stockpiles dwindled. Procurement bottlenecks multiplied. With no clear strategic gain on the battlefield and no budgetary path forward, the state was forced to choose between escalation and implosion. It chose the only available option: pause. (5/8)

Iran, for its part, now enjoys strategic breathing room. The ceasefire allows it to reconstitute infrastructure, recalibrate deterrence, and regain initiative. The balance of force has not shifted permanently, but the direction of pressure has. This moment is not peace. It is strategic deferral, born not from resolution but from a collapse in logistical credibility and fiscal coherence. (6/8)

The deleted document was never meant to be part of the public narrative. But its disappearance confirms its significance. It showed a government no longer able to sustain the machinery of war without confronting rebellion from the home front. The war did not run out of targets. It ran out of budget lines. (7/8)

The ceasefire will not last. Once funding is secured, stockpiles replenished, and political-military coherence restored, Israel will likely return to offensive posture. But this data, briefly public and now erased, will stand as evidence that the limits of Israeli escalation are no longer military. They are fiscal, institutional, and domestic. The war paused not because it was over, but because the state could no longer afford to continue destroying faster than its citizens could demand compensation. (8/8)

 

[Cooper]

 

[homersheineken]

Good rundown on Israeli losses:



Thomas Keith
Israel entered the 12-day exchange convinced it could absorb costs; the ledger now shows a nation bleeding cash, talent, and confidence. Direct military outlays hit $5 B in the first week, then ballooned to $725 M every 24 hours, $593 M on offensive strikes that failed to silence Iran, $132 M on frantic mobilisation and missile intercepts that still let 400 warheads through. Iron Dome batteries alone inhaled $10 M to $200 M per day while Iranian salvos sailed past them and erased $1.47 B in civilian property, triggering 38 700 damage claims, 11 000 evacuations, and 30 condemned high-rise skeletons across Tel Aviv’s financial spine.

The Weizmann Institute, Israel’s prestige export, lies in shards, 45 labs gone and $500 M in biomedical IP incinerated, pulling decades of grant pipelines and pharma partnerships off the table overnight. Intel’s Kiryat Gat fabs froze mid-wafer, choking a supply chain that feeds 64 % of Israel’s exports and 1/5 of its GDP; the high-tech sector now runs on skeleton crews because 300 000 reservists were yanked from R&D floors and data centers to guard empty runways at Tel Nof. Commercial flights halted twice at Ben Gurion, insurers jacked premiums, and foreign airlines rerouted around a country that once sold itself as the region’s safe hub.

Capital is already in flight. More than 80 000 Israelis emigrated in 2024, the largest outflow since 1948, pushing the two-year total above 500 000 and forcing Netanyahu’s cabinet to slap a travel ban on Jewish dual nationals to stem the leak. Investor confidence cratered: venture funds paused term sheets, construction sites stand idle, and mega-projects wait on credit that no longer clears. The finance ministry, staring at a deficit set to shove public debt past 75 % of GDP, begged for an extra $857 M in defence cash while slicing $200 M from hospitals and schools.

Analysts peg Israel’s aggregate loss between $11.5 B and $17.8 B, up to 3.3 % of GDP, before counting long-tail hits from halted exports, cancelled IPOs, and sovereign-risk downgrades. Iran, still sitting on its uranium stockpile, spent a fraction of that yet forced the self-styled “Start-Up Nation” into a liquidity scramble, an insurance panic, and a brain-drain spiral. Tel Aviv promised deterrence; Tehran handed it a balance sheet in red ink and the visible stamp of strategic humiliation.

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This is the kind of damage I have alluded too in my posts above.

US taxpayers will foot the bill, but the image and psychological damage to the Israeli project is irreversible.

Is this analysis including the 6 million-million from US taxapyers?

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Anyone who volunteers to be sent on a mission to a foreign country is guilty as charged, especially when it's for the bidding of US. And I don't care if he was a medic, driver, cook. If you're there in a military uniform you're already guilty. I have a friend from Poland who was in Afghanistan. Poland wasn't attacked by Afghanistan, Poland had no business to go there, it wasn't Poland's war. The only reason these soldiers were there was to do the bidding of Satanic Rotchilds. It was utter disgrace and dishonor. Being a jewish pawn. If I weren't a Christian I'd expect him to off himself like in the old days. Ultimately he didn't come back the same because he was ordered to shoot children, yes, you read it right. So whenever someone who engaged in anything other than training and strictly defensive military action at the borders of their own country tries to justify their deeds I have zero tolerance for that person. No level of heat makes evil offensive moral. It's one of the ways soldiers try to absolve themselves from their guilt.




Strawman argument. Point a post where I approved him doing that. Putin kissing Qoran doesn't justify westerners shooting muslims in their country. If anyone you should go after jews who import them into US and Europe.

Haha ok there keyboard warrior. You keep reading the world it's rights.

Does Muslims shooting Christian soldiers mean they are doing God's work? You still didn't answer that...but according to your logic it follows.

As for me...I have a totally clean conscience.

Also I'd like to know, are you an American, need to know for my own context of whom I'm arguing with.

And I stand by my statement, fuck Solemani.

 

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Haha ok there keyboard warrior. You keep reading the world it's rights.

Does Muslims shooting Christian soldiers mean they are doing God's work? You still didn't answer that...but according to your logic it follows.

As for me...I have a totally clean conscience.

Also I'd like to know, are you an American, need to know for my own context of whom I'm arguing with.

And I stand by my statement, fuck Solemani.

You are using a faux metric that if someone haven't blown up heads he doesn't know life and is illegitimate in his opinions. What a load of bs. Morality and truth does not come from being shot at and fighting back like a Chad. This is just dopamine logic. It's on par with telling a monk that because he's celibate he knows nothing about sexual relationships and his advice is worthless. You're not an interlocutor worthy of my time. Ignored.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

You are using a faux metric that if someone haven't blown up heads doesn't know life and has no legitimacy in his opinion. What a load of bs. This is just dopamine logic. It's on par with telling a monk that because he's celibate he knows nothing about sexual relationships and his advice is fake. Discussion with you is pointless, I'm ignoring you from now on so don't bother replying to me, I won't see it.

Too bad. I was genuinely looking forward to answers to my questions.

 

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[Cooper]

With the tinyness of Israel and the knowledge on their AD weaknesses (aka lacking strategic depth) you'd think something a bit more substantial would be produced by Iran but no, it's just brushed up Soviet missile tech from the 80s incidentally slamming into apartment blocks and whatnot. Great visuals though, aesthetics wise it's a banger. The accelerating pace during downward trajectory, shockwave included. I actually believe the bagmen shills when they say there was a military base 70 meters down the road, those older missile types in particular are proving to be terribly inaccurate. Israel is a casualty averse society (unlike Iran), but can they at least hit some real high value stuff for once?

Meanwhile people in Israel are being told to go back to work as usual because Iran's salvos have been getting weaker and gayer by the day. Numbers don't lie, both impacts and launches are down significantly and the interception rate stands at 80-90 percent.

Can totally imagine Aldebaran violently punching the air seeing actual statistics instead of 'feelings on Twitter', letting out barely comprehensible grunts remotely resembling 'Hasbara' and 'ZOG' in the process. Sorry Aldyboy, not my problem your fellow brown muslims suck at war and statecraft so much, Israel is quite literally periodically curbstomping a new corner of the Muslim world every single 6 months.

LaNegra's "numbers don't lie media evidence" graph shows only ~50 missiles landed.

Reality - 150,000 Israeli properties damaged, according to a published Israeli government report, so 3,000 properties damaged per missile landed, according to LaNegra's "numbers don't lie media evidence". Tee-hee.

And those were just the civilian claims, the majority of Iranian missiles were targeted at military sites, and here as well, there was a whole lot more damage that the Israelis let.

 

[Thomas More]

LaNegra's "numbers don't lie media evidence" graph shows only ~50 missiles landed.

Reality - Israeli 150,000 properties damaged, according to a published Israeli government report, so 3,000 properties damaged per missile landed, according to LaNegra's "numbers don't lie media evidence". Tee-hee.

And those were just the civilian claims, the majority of Iranian missiles were targeted at military sites, and here as well, there was a whole lot more damage that the Israelis let.

You're right that 3000 houses damaged per missile is unlilely. You conclude from this there must have been more missiles. But how many more? 500 misiles would still give 300 houses damaged per missile. That still seems like too many houses per missile. Maybe 5000 misisiles with 30 houses each. Not all misslies would have damaged houses at all. Some were aimed at military targets.

I heard Iran had 2000 missiles to start with, so I doubt.they fired 5000. The other alternative is that the damage was exaggerated.

You really can't believe the official statements on damage, or missile count, or anything else.

 

[magoo]

The summit was a farce. US and EU are broke.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Bannon as a change agent is glorious.

 

[Cooper]

You're right that 3000 houses damaged per missile is unlilely. You conclude from this there must have been more missiles. But how many more? 500 misiles would still give 300 houses damaged per missile. That still seems like too many houses per missile. Maybe 5000 misisiles with 30 houses each. Not all misslies would have damaged houses at all. Some were aimed at military targets.

I heard Iran had 2000 missiles to start with, so I doubt.they fired 5000. The other alternative is that the damage was exaggerated.

You really can't believe the official statements on damage, or missile count, or anything else.

You have a suburban perspective here, most of the civilian areas hit were high density urdan settings, apartment blocks. That one filmed hit on the diamond center tower must have damaged several hundred apartments in that tower alone, and many more in the adjacent towers, albeit a bit lighter damage, and broken glass in buildings around the block. Property damaged also include cars, lots of them parked tightly in places like Tel Aviv or Haifa.

Several hundred missiles did land, and that was Iran going against the starting stock of Israeli, US and NATO interceptor missiles. If this goes on another week or two, they'll be practically naked and Iran can start unleashing their fleet of $10k Shaheds and other cheaper/lower tech gear with little opposition.

That's why the Israelis pleaded for a cease fire, and why no one celebrated that cease fire in Israel while the Iranians reveled.

 

[expectation]

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Not sure which side is truthful or not.... But in war, and I speak from my experience here.... Twitter is likely the last point of factual authority.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Not quite ethically correct, but true in all wars America has been involved in post WW2, including this one. Incorrect in the sense that a case can be argued for involvement if a country is committing war crimes, etc. But with America it's pretty evident that the military industrial complex is in service to the supranational "hidden hand", ((()))?.

I've gotta say it's cringey when Americans say to veterans of regime change invasions of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. , "thank you for your service", and they accept the compliment. But I'm also aware it's a hard journey from hero to culpable, especially if you took the lives of others, but for a Christian a necessary one.

Anyhow, this is way off topic and ought to be the subject of a different thread.

Haha I agree, It's indeed cringey and we all laugh and say it to each other when someone does something or gets an award in a sarcastic sense.

But honestly veterans (or at least ones who've served overseas on a warzone deployment ) do have a sense of entitlement because if our sacrifices and decisions to risk our lives in service of our country.

We know it's imperfect. We don't like the system. But someone has to be willing to participate so all the naysayers can be safe to criticize.

i hope for my boys there's a world where we arent in constant war. And.... I don't recommend the military for most of them, except the crazy ones like me who literally wanted to blow shit up and kill people....

It's not easily understandable or digested. But it's quite funny to watch Internet commandos call people wired that way servants of Satan.... especially when they dismiss them even though they go to same Church and are a part of the same religious traditions, and that tradition celebrated the soldiers.

It's honestly not something I've found in person with other practicing Orthodox, only folks in the Internet space, likely with neck beards and low testosterone.

At the end of the day, war is hell, the people doing the work don't really have a choice and people who condemn them for being in that situation just demonstrate how privileged their life really is.