The third worlders are cracking under the pressure of the rise of White racial consciousness.
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Something I’ve been thinking about is all this “proposition nation” talk. If America is truly not a proposition nation I'm kind of screwed. Furthest back I can get my family is early 1900s from E Europe. Rest we're looking at not even 100 years ago. I don’t have deep roots in America with family showing up in the 1600s.
So what is American? I feel this is a huge thing fueling our current crisis. I mean as I put my brain in action I’d say it is:
- suspicion of authority - anti hierarchy so we have federalism and an independent judiciary. None of the unite government or gun grabs like we see in Europe. Even Australia is more trusting of authority.
- the frontier and lack of permanent villages where a thousand generations lived. We move around for the pursuit of opportunity.
- beer bbq and sides
- more egalitarian workforces - why we have such issues now. It’s not so much that people want to be commies, but I think people my age are drifting to it cos this cultural aspect of Americanness has been upset, especially for those with deep roots in the country. Work has become more hierarchical than our culture demands. This is why companies like H1bs cos they come from a country with a f**king caste system. Pay them pennies and they won’t become commies.
- We like space. Suburbs exist here for a reason. I think the American way would be to build better suburbs as these garbage constructions crumble vs urbanizing.
- I know this is kicking a hornets nest… the Protestant religion. I’m orthodox, but I’m a minority and I know my place in American culture.
- I think whiteness is a big deal for some because of its connection with the Protestant religion. Spanish Empire had their own unique way of getting rid of minorities through forced assimilation. Unlike Catholicism and Orthodoxy, I don’t think Protestantism has this ability to do that. I think this goes back to distrust of hierarchy too. If we had a hierarchical society we could just start “bleaching” the black population. Within 3 generations, you’d have some white people with frizzy hair but no more black people. Lower Casta whites would be the agents of getting the job done like in Brazil and the Spanish Empire. But we have nothing like the Casta system in America. Remember kids - Mexico and Brazil were originally monarchies.
I think America is a teenage country going through its identity crisis. Once we figure it out, a real nation will be born and we can shut off immigration. I mean, we don’t even need to do that. Just have a system where you can move here, but you will never be an American. You can’t vote or serve in our military. Your kids can however. This will mean only people who see themselves as long term additions to the American nation will come. They can’t benefit in their life, but the next generation will. Make immigration not about you and we could probably have it.
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What the fuck is a “proposition nation”?
Civic nationalism. A nation where people sign onto the nation Vs a nation where people are descendent from specific founders. Thing is Americas ethnogenesis is murky. We threw off our Englishness unlike Australia and New Zealand. But we never incorporated the American Indians to become a mestizo nation like the Latin Americans did. We’re kind of in limbo land as a nation. This results in an elite class that sees its American citizens not as subjects, but as cattle to be farmed for profit.
People use the Roman Empire as a symbol of civic nationalism but in all reality, the Roman Empire had a forced assimilation system. Everyone in Southwest Europe speaks a Latin derived language for a language reason.
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So how do we attack Greeks and Middle East and North Africa if they’re Christian. When Christianity gets involved, the line between Europe and other gets murky. Is native Christiandom = Europe? This is the mindset I’m developing. Like old Europe used to reach the border of Persia. Syria and Egypt used to be part of Europe. But when Islam took over they ceased being European. So I’d say MENA Christians could be included in the Euro-Settler nation.
What’s interesting Scandinavia is not part of indigenous Christendom. Scandinavia and the Baltics converted very late. Interestingly enough, they are leading the charge in secularism.
There was something I read years back on the internet about this idea. You reminded me of it, and I had to go looking, but found it:
This is a long article, but if you scroll down to 10 f), you'll see what I mean.
The idea isnt exactly wrong. The United States is such a young country in the big scheme of things. Obviously the European countries we got our first stock of population from are way, way older. And then we opened our doors to much more European immigration throughout the years. It wasn't really until the Hart-Celler Act that the US stopped taking in people from Europe almost exclusively, at least as I understand it. Sometimes people go on about Latinos and Chinese working farms and building the railroads, but the stats say that the US was supermajority White back then. So White people built America, in spite of what minorities like to say.
I think the identity crisis we're going through is actually just the slow but steady realization that the population of the US that can really trace their bloodlines back to at least 1776 is already a minority in the US anymore. If you travel around the US, you will notice that most coastal cities are international now. Even the smaller ones. Maybe small town America is still around and still mostly White, but look at their birthrates- or better yet, just look at how much vacant space you see when you drive through it.
To bring this back to the thread topic, just imagine an Indian who isn't a Christian running for office in 1950s America. I can trace half(only half, but still) my ancestry to at least 1776 with a family history book previous generations put together. I have an ancestor who was a Confederate soldier. And now I live in an era where if I told my fellow Americans about this they'd want me to apologize. It makes me sad to think of because the people who really built America(White people, with a little help from only some black people) built something so awesome everyone wants in. And now their descendants are ashamed thanks to Jewish propaganda.
I dare say this is less of a "still forming," and more of an outright replacement.
I have the knowledge while reading this that nobody in my family tree ever tasted the defining moments of American history. A couple WWII vets on my dad’s side but I’m shocked they turned guns against their mother country. No civil war, no revolution, no Spanish American, no WWI … no westward expansion stories in my family… nothing. Ironically my hands are clean of the causes of lefty whining. Yet they hate me and I’m blamed anyway. This led me to the belief that I believe the people who founded this country and built the customs and systems my ancestors assimilated to as well as built the infrastructure and fought the wars, spread west, mined the mines, built the railroads, rushed the gold, etc… they deserve a privileged place in our society and they should bask in it. They’re on the same footing as the American Indians in my book for claim over the continent. Black Americans too. Sure there’s the dysfunction but IF they got their shit together, they built this country. That’s intellectual dishonesty to say otherwise. American Americans should have a special place here. My ancestors signed on ex post facto, and the new wave of immigrants are here to eat, not build. At least my foreign ancestors didn’t have a hand out. AND YES, MODERN MIGRANTS HAVE A HAND OUT. Look at what the Haitians were driving in their numerous accidents in Springfield. Do you know what kind of credit score or co-signer you need to get those wheels? Someone’s writing them off. Or they’d be driving rust buckets like low income natives. Anyway, I remember my grandparents canning everything and eating out of the garden when times were tough. I got soooooo sick of radishes. The grow gardens, work factories, and do without immigrants are a different breed than the EBT ones. Interestingly enough, I find Mexicans being closer to my ancestors. They work and provide… illegally, but they make do and live like my ancestors. Somalis, Central Americans, and other assorted characters, are EBT migrants. Indians are total suckers being bought for pennies on the dollar. India must be crap for the deal they’re being given.