I have been meaning to make this thread for a while, as I see the combination of the material world and the human social experiment, encounter or community something that can't be disentangled. That is, man as a reasonable creature unlike animals, being created in the image of God, can attain a likeness to Him, but largely he goes along en masse with more characteristics that resemble animal or tribal groups, and thus groupthink. Since the basis of groupthink and community cooperation is survival, it comes to fore that the modern ways of living that get further and further away from survival threats or implications, make us more and more mental, and less and less an honest combination of the physical/biological and reasonable. Efficiency and innovation have therefore brought us into a realm or modern age, for the time being, where population booms are possible and with less stressors on life, and increasing population, there is a necessary increase in mediocrity or worse, which means on average less fitness for any given individual. Well, aren't there corresponding increases in higher fitness individuals? Yes, but only in absolute measurements and as humans are a collective with social interactions and varying spheres of community (local, regional, national) the single individuals in certain places can have either more, or less, impact on the total of the population, but only in the advent of technology. So what's the point of this thread? It is to explain and explore the general idea of behavioral sink and why the population can either sense, or feels strongly, that the people that surround them are getting worse, weaker, or aren't up to a standard that they might compare them to. It doesn't have to be that populations fall and this self corrects, theoretically, as technology could advance (keep advancing?) until the sun blows up or fades away. But what we see in human populations and behavior is that what goes along with population booms is an increase in a lot of imaginary things, which in the modern world are largely associated with created forms of "money", debt (future money) and otherwise. These include welfare, bailouts, and other supports for incompetence that are only held up by the diminishing numbers of productive people. What's more, there are elite power brokers among humans that also advance scenarios of population decline, talked about frequently on the forum. It has become my thesis that all, or most, of the problems in the world (as seen by humans, an important point) are ecological and balance problems related to dysgenics or qualities that are detrimental to humans for a cycle, but persist to hurt men, women, and families. Since most religions, and certainly Christianity, teach that the path of the Way is narrow, a purely mathematical approach and view of human population boom shows that "be fruitful and multiply" is a vestige of the old world of difficult survival, and has become a tradeoff in the modern age of "multiply" going with "non-fruitful". Whether we like it or not, humans as large groups only act well or in accordance with a better (I don't want to use "good" here, though one could) mode of living only if they are constrained by real survival realities. Overall, this thread is not to bring people down but to clarify the reality of the tradeoffs in the world, and that modernity can give you certain material things, but you will lose other human family or generational ones, as a result - that is, until a type of creative destruction takes place. One that many think is coming, but of course, we could be wrong in expecting, or timing it.