Hamas is done? Hamas is still fighting, and still holding hostages. Israeli soldiers still get popped off when they venture into the Gaza Strip, and as far as I know, Israel has barely touched the tunnels that will need to be completely cleared to ever finish off Hamas.
Hezbollah is done? Israel can't get a foothold in southern Lebanon, despite dropping so many bombs that the USA is even starting to question what is going on. Then last week, Hezbollah took out 110 Israeli soldiers, including the Chief of Staff, at their base, when their air defense systems failed. Hezbollah is just getting started and has warned Israel they now plan to run Israeli citizens out of Northern Israel for good.
Due to these two groups bravery and Israel's disgusting bombing of a refugee tent hospital, Spain and now Turkey have flipped and come out against Israel this week alone. Macron has become critical of Israel. Israel has lost so much face in the world and especially in the USA. Israel's only strength was the west, and that bridge has been burned.
The only appropriate response for Bibi would be to surrender and offer a two state solution in exchange for facing a war crime tribunal. Anything other than that is not appropriate, and now a majority of the world agrees.
Iran has put Israel into check-mate. Go on killing citizens, destroy your reputation to the point even the USA is telling you to knock it off, in a war of attrition you cannot win. Or get stupid and attack us again, and next time we flatten your disgusting country and make your citizens leave in droves.
As an American, I can tell you the last thing Israel wants is for the US military to get involved. The backlash here would be so massive the satanic elites couldn't contain it. The anger here towards Israel is about to boil over. I hope the stupid bastards keep pushing, it is in their genetics to do so, and when they do they will crash the entire thing.
How do we know Israel and the USA are at check-mate. Even their "allies" in the Middle East are saying "no" to helping us in the slightest way.
Geopolitical goals and strategic objectives don't get measured in arbitrary benchmarks of 'popping soldiers' and milquetoast& meaningless diplomatic remarks from second or third tier players with no skin in the game - many doing deals hand over fist with Israel below the table anyway. Those spins are just testimony of your personal hubris and inability to move beyond emotion-driven fanboyism.
The only measurements are very simple yet seem to be continuously put in the backseat in favor of feel-good clickbait and sensationalist nonsense meant to keep the crowd from realizing what is happening.
What are the strategic objectives set by Israel in the Gaza theater? Destroy Hamas' military and political infrastructure, get the hostages out and establish a civilian-military administration that will eventually morph into a puppet regime akin to the Palestinian Authority - possibly under Gulf State supervision
What's Hamas' strategic objective and modus operandi? Million dollar question, and nobody really knows. What were they thinking? Maybe the resident copelords can shed some light on Hamas' rationale, timeline and gameplan - as they seem terribly invested in running cover for whatever BS narrative perpetuated by the towelheads. Maybe Hamas' plan was to kill as many as Jews as possible, subsequently auto-destruct and by sheer public outcry pull the Arab leaders back into their camp due to being at the receiving end of never ending bombing runs and seeing entire bloodlines getting evaporated on live TV?
If this is truly what it was, then that's not 9D chess, that's 1D chess. No wonder they are on their way out.
Please take a few minutes off from F5ing Lord Bebo and Megatron and consider the current state of affairs in Gaza, the Israeli control of the Philadelphia Corridor (aka control over all of Gaza's borders), the near absent Hamas rocket fire, the abandonment of Hamas by every regional player in the book (Iran included), the low IDF casualty rates and the PA getting maneuvered into a future leadership position by the Gulf States. Kinda hallucinant to think Hamas is somehow winning but then again propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Hamas has one ace left and that's the hostages - and it depends on how that card gets played to envision the future of Hamas leadership. What is sure is that Hamas will have no role in the political future of Gaza. Nobody wants them there anyway - not the Egyptians, not the Gulf States, not Israel, not the Jordanians, not the US and not the PA. However, when that card gets played well
just maybe Sinwar can get a one way plane ticket to Qatar/Iran - where he'll eventually be capped anyway because Jewish vengeance ain't no joke.
On a sidenote, it's embarrassing how bad Hamas and now Hezbollah are at capping Israelis. Hamas' only successful killing spree was literally designed by the Jews themselves and the IDF has lost only about 350 soldiers in one year of raping Gaza - with many of those due to friendly fire accidents to boot.
Lebanon's theater is likewise.
What are Israel's strategic objectives in Lebanon? End Hezbollah rocketfire through the disarmament of the organization, establish a security zone up until the Litani River and undo the organization's political stranglehold on the Lebanese political system by enabling Hezbollah's domestic enemies to break the political deadlock.[/b]
Likewise,
what is Hezbollah's strategic objective? Short term: end the Israeli operation in Gaza by damaging Bibi's domestic legitimacy/ damaging Israel's deterrent by a year long plus continuous rocket fire into the country. Long term: destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the sea.
Situation in Lebanon. Barely two weeks into Northern Arrrows and Hezbollah has cycled through three secretary generals, its communication system is totally compromised, a domestic anti Hezbollah alliance is in the making, Iran has cucked out, and Hezbollah is systematically losing ground in the South whilst unable to inflict serious casualties on the IDF.
It's clear as day who is moving towards achieving its objectives and who is not.
This discussion is getting tiresome and at this point this thread seems to primarily exist to console the nailbiters in seeing their much talked up turdworldist heroes+worldview crumble in record time. In 3, 6 or 9 months time the IDF will be at the Litani River, Hezbollah's will be challenged domestically, Hamas will have been stomped into the dirt even more and Syria will have been destabilized further. Rest assured that the copes will simply evolve with every Iranian strategic defeat - and one can already imagine how 3 Hezbollahis holed up in a tunnel system somewhere deep in the hills
umm well ackshually means the Israelis have failed in restructuring the security umbrella of the Levant and Iran's wings have totally not been clipped because two more weeks till Israel's collapse or whatever.
