Men on Mars

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As long as I can remember, normies have always believed that humans will one day travel to Mars. Most seem to vaguely assume that we'll somehow colonize Mars and that in the future people will be born and live out their lives there.

Lately I've seen more and more posting on normie social media about this, and I find it bewildering that people take the idea of humans traveling to Mars seriously. It almost seems more aggressively dumb than all the other ridiculous things normies are obligated to believe. I accept the mainstream model of space and space travel and even from that point of view, if you look into it technically, the idea of human beings actually going to Mars is preposterous. I also find that if I bring any of this up in polite conversation with most people, more often than not it will make someone very, very angry.

I'm in the minority here that thinks that the moon landings probably did happen more or less as claimed, and that the NASA and Soviet unmanned missions to Mars and Venus and other planets were probably real. On the other hand I'm not emotionally invested in any of that and I get why you guys are mostly skeptical.

I don't know if this is something any of you think about, but I figured I'd start a thread to discuss it, if anyone is interested.
 
scary_robot_music said:
As long as I can remember, normies have always believed that humans will one day travel to Mars. Most seem to vaguely assume that we'll somehow colonize Mars and that in the future people will be born and live out their lives there.

Lately I've seen more and more posting on normie social media about this, and I find it bewildering that people take the idea of humans traveling to Mars seriously. It almost seems more aggressively dumb than all the other ridiculous things normies are obligated to believe. I accept the mainstream model of space and space travel and even from that point of view, if you look into it technically, the idea of human beings actually going to Mars is preposterous. I also find that if I bring any of this up in polite conversation with most people, more often than not it will make someone very, very angry.

I'm in the minority here that thinks that the moon landings probably did happen more or less as claimed, and that the NASA and Soviet unmanned missions to Mars and Venus and other planets were probably real. On the other hand I'm not emotionally invested in any of that and I get why you guys are mostly skeptical.

I don't know if this is something any of you think about, but I figured I'd start a thread to discuss it, if anyone is interested.
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I believe it will be technically possible to transport humans to Mars, along with gear and supplies to support them, as in the movie The Martian. Some of the details of that movie were overly dependent on coincidence, but the basic idea of the facility they had seems doable to me.

I even think it would be possible to harvest oxygen and carbon dioxide from the thin Martian atmosphere, and use them to produce fuel. However, this is still largely based on bringing almost all the supplies and equipment from Earth, similar to building some kind of manned station on the bottom of the ocean or in Antarctica.

I think it is a much greater leap for a population on Mars to become self sufficient and create a self sustaining community. I do enjoy science fiction about things like this, but it definitely requires technology that doesn't exist yet, like nanotech.
 
Caduceus said:
The moon landings were all lies, so claiming to want to get to Mars is just massive more money laundering for the governments.
The only way humans will ever get there is through the rekall program.



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Bob seems like just the right guy to send me to Mars and receive that athletic 9/10.

Now where do I sign up?
 
Going to Mars is a retarded idea. The fiat perpetual debt system is in the gutter. They're still growing their revenue but very soon they'll hit the limits of the market. Can't sell your BS gadgets and services without new customers while your existing customers lose purchasing power and low IQ animals are barging into their house. So, I'm not sure why anyone is going to spend trillions to build a fort on mars.

I want to fly on big spaceships as much as the next guy but there's just nowhere to go and nothing to do in space with the current technology. As far as space mining, they might get some robots up there for that, but it doesn't seem it's going to be like the movies, where you're doing warehouse work in a gigantic spaceship with a bunch of misfits for 10 times the regular pay.

I'm starting to think Musk is a psy-op agent. The fact that they haven't thrown this faggot out of a window for disobedience worries me. This faggot has a blank check to essentially cover the earth in various control grid technologies while claiming it's about net neutrality or going to Mars or some other BS.
 
Maybe in 100 to 200 years, or in 500 to 1000 years. I think you would need a portable reactor to power your bases to keep the quality of life at a basic level. The weather there is violent, extreme wind speeds for months. To really change the environment think about the massive amount of water in the oceans and air, and the role it plays in maintaining stable temperature and sustaining life, the rivers and the lakes. How do you take it to Mars.
 
NSOE said:
Maybe in 100 to 200 years, or in 500 to 1000 years. I think you would need a portable reactor to power your bases to keep the quality of life at a basic level. The weather there is violent, extreme wind speeds for months. To really change the environment think about the massive amount of water in the oceans and air, and the role it plays in maintaining stable temperature and sustaining life, the rivers and the lakes. How do you take it to Mars.
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Also the radiation and the fact that nothing can grow there. You'd have to bring soil from Earth too, as far as I understand.
 
scary_robot_music said:
Also the radiation and the fact that nothing can grow there. You'd have to bring soil from Earth too, as far as I understand.
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You would have to set up a hydroponic system inside the habitat, and would have to bring nutrient chemicals along. They would expect to be able to obtain water from Mars, but again that requires equipment to dig out water bearing dirt and then separate the water. There would be a great deal of bootstrapping required to harvest any Martian resources in a usesble form, with every bit of equipment coming from Earth.
 
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Thomas More said:
You would have to set up a hydroponic system inside the habitat, and would have to bring nutrient chemicals along. They would expect to be able to obtain water from Mars, but again that requires equipment to dig out water bearing dirt and then separate the water. There would be a great deal of bootstrapping required to harvest any Martian resources in a usesble form, with every but of equipment coming from Earth.
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That's one thing about either living on Mars permanently or living in some kind of massive space ark type of space craft, the type that would be necessary for interstellar travel. Ultimately, everything you eat would have to be somehow recycled from human urine and fecal matter, and other organic waste, or painstakingly brought from Earth at astronomical expense. And when we talk about "bringing things from Earth" people seem to imagine it as a slightly longer Amazon delivery and think of Mars as being in some fixed position in space, not a different planet with a different orbit that it might take years to reach, depending on its current position relative to Earth. And again, think of the staggering expense involved in just "bringing things" from Earth.

It just doesn't seem sustainable at all in the reality, although it can make for fun imaginary science fiction stories where you can explain away unsolvable technical barriers with a hand wave, or just ignore them.

I think one reason people believe humans traveling to Mars and even living there permanently is possible is the pictures from the robot probes that have been sent to the planet. It looks a lot like a slightly redder version of the Arizona desert, deceptively similar to something you might see on Earth. It doesn't give a sense of how utterly alien and completely hostile to human life or any type of life the place is.
 
Another thing normies don't think about when they think of human beings on Mars is the combined effects of years of exposure to far lower gravity and to the lethal radiation levels on the planet.

Sure, there are ways to somewhat mitigate these like weight training for the low gravity and shielding from the radiation, but I doubt they would really ward off the adverse effects completely and permanently. I bet those two problems along with the psychological difficulty of being trapped in such a utterly desolate place would finish off an average human being in a year or two, at most. Someone on the high end mentally and physically as astronauts are supposed to be could maybe drag it out a few more years but I doubt anyone could survive sevearl years on Mars, and the gradual physical and mental decline toward death would probably be awful.

This is all assuming anyone could really make to Mars alive, which I also highly doubt.
 
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