Shaquilleoatmeal
Protestant
Deuteronomy 22 gives capital punishment for women who aren’t virgins before marriage.
you could just not post in it.
Are Christians Bound by Old Testament Laws?
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I think the bible says it explicitly in Leviticus but its also implied in multiple other passages. Of course I am not a Christian so my interpretation could be way off but for what its worth:
Leviticus 21:7
"They shall not marry a prostitute or a woman who has been defiled, neither shall they marry a woman divorced from her husband, for the priest is holy to his God."Leviticus 21:13
And he shall take a wife in her virginity.Exodus 22:16-17
“If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins."Deuteronomy 22:20-22
"But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. “If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."Deuteronomy 22:13-21
“If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then hates her and accuses her of misconduct and brings a bad name upon her, saying, ‘I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her evidence of virginity,’ then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate. And the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man to marry, and he hates her; and behold, he has accused her of misconduct, saying, “I did not find in your daughter evidence of virginity.” And yet this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity.’ And they shall spread the cloak before the elders of the city. ...Deuteronomy 22:19
And they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin of Israel. And she shall be his wife. He may not divorce her all his days.Ezekiel 44:22
"They shall not marry a widow or a divorced woman, but only virgins of the offspring of the house of Israel, or a widow who is the widow of a priest."Matthew 5:32
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
To all the Christian men on this forum who married non-virgins how do you reconcile this with the teachings of the bible that explicitly tell you not to marry a non virgin?
(refer to the post above especially Leviticus 21:7 and Leviticus 21:13)
Also as a side note Hoe-flation! is out of control!!
Back then you could get a virgin for 50 sheckels of silver which is only 550 grams of silver which is around $600 USD. Today virgins are selling their virginity on the internet for one million dollars plus!
(refer to the post above especially Leviticus 21:7 and Leviticus 21:13)
Deuteronomy 22:19
"And they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin of Israel. And she shall be his wife. He may not divorce her all his days."Also as a side note Hoe-flation! is out of control!!
Back then you could get a virgin for 50 sheckels of silver which is only 550 grams of silver which is around $600 USD. Today virgins are selling their virginity on the internet for one million dollars plus!
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Question: are you a secular jew?
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Christianity's Old Testament Obligations
According to Christian theology, Christians are not bound by the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy in their entirety. Here’s a breakdown of the key arguments:- The Old Covenant vs. The New Covenant: Christians believe that the Old Covenant, which included the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, was superseded by the New Covenant through Jesus Christ. The New Testament teaches that Christ’s death and resurrection fulfilled the law, making its many rules and regulations obsolete (e.g., Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14).
- Moral laws vs. Ceremonial laws: Some Christians distinguish between moral laws (e.g., the Ten Commandments) and ceremonial laws (e.g., dietary restrictions, animal sacrifices). They argue that moral laws, being based on natural law and human conscience, remain binding for all people, including Christians. However, ceremonial laws, being specific to the Israelites and their covenant with God, are no longer applicable.
- The Council of Jerusalem: The New Testament account of the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) suggests that early Christian leaders recognized that Gentile converts did not need to observe the ceremonial laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, only the moral laws and the basic principles of the Noahide Code (Acts 15:28-29).
- The Epistle to the Hebrews: The book of Hebrews uses Leviticus imagery to describe Jesus as the high priest who offers his own blood as a sin offering, implying that the sacrifices and rituals of Leviticus have been replaced by Christ’s sacrifice (Hebrews 9-10).
- Christian tradition: Throughout Christian history, there has been a general consensus that Christians are not bound by the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. While some Christian denominations or individuals may still observe certain practices or rituals from these texts, these are not considered binding obligations.
Shaquilleoatmeal
Protestant
Honestly, reading this basically reads as God telling us to marry used up whores.
Roosh’s 2015 speech early on stated “we have great technology, but bad relationships with women.”
Can you explain to me as a non-Christian on whose moral authority exactly was the old testament rendered obsolete/superseded? Did Jesus Christ specify that the old testament is superseded? Was the old testament not the word of god and if it was the word of god would it not be the case that Jesus Christ is the only one with the moral authority to declare it superceded?
Also in response to your question I am an agnostic. I am not a secular Jew and none of my ancestors that I am aware of are Jewish.
Shaquilleoatmeal
Protestant
Also, the Ten Commandments aren’t abolished.
I am not a hermeneutic scholar, and neither are 99.9% of Christians. We know to follow the 10 Commandments, as Christ stated, and to love our neighbor as ourself (this was very tongue-in-cheek, btw, but that's another topic). That being said, I can look this stuff up just as well as you can, and I don't have the time to do a deep-dive, as I have a job and other responsibilities. One thing is clear to Christians beyond what I stated in the second sentence: we know God's law in our hearts, as all people do, and we don't live our lives trying to stretch the legal limits of every moral law (i.e. what can I get away with, and think we can still be saved). This is contrary to God's spirit and is a sinful approach to Christ, and certainly not borne of faith.
Here are some links that you can read: one Catholic, one Protestant, one generic. I cannot immediately find anything on the topic from the Orthodox, but I wouldn't expect it to be any different. With Christ in your heart, you innately know what is a sin and what isn't.
That being said: this is a great topic, and perhaps deserves its own thread. I don't think most Christians even think about this stuff.
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Here are some links that you can read: one Catholic, one Protestant, one generic. I cannot immediately find anything on the topic from the Orthodox, but I wouldn't expect it to be any different. With Christ in your heart, you innately know what is a sin and what isn't.
That being said: this is a great topic, and perhaps deserves its own thread. I don't think most Christians even think about this stuff.
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When did the concept that Leviticus laws no longer apply to Christians first become common, and what scripture supports it?
I've heard many times that many of the probitions in Leviticus that Jewish people continue to abide by don't apply to Christians. I've further heard a claim that the laws were broken up into 3 typ...
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Many posts about this topic have come up under the "Destruction of Modern Women" thread, and I felt this subject is complicated enough that it needs its own thread. I do feel this subject is confusing to many people, and should probably be discussed more deeply and hashed out.
MODS: Can you please move the pertinent posts over here, so they don't get buried, please?
MODS: Can you please move the pertinent posts over here, so they don't get buried, please?
Your argument does not make sense. If the old testament is superseded why is it still in the bible? Why don't they just remove it entirely?
...Multiple times and in no uncertain terms? Normies seethe about it all the time whenever they want to accuse the Bible of "promoting misogyny" or whatever.
I might be recalling this incorrectly, but wasn't it so that he would suffer and understand how much Israel's unfaithfulness displeased God or something along those lines? This is no argument against wanting to marry a virgin.
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Faith in Christ fulfills all the requirements of the Law.
Having been justified, the Spirit necessarily works in believers so that they will live lives that are pleasing to God.
Romans 6:14: Sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace.
Having been justified, the Spirit necessarily works in believers so that they will live lives that are pleasing to God.
Romans 6:14: Sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace.
Not that Im aware of, there is still practical wisdom we can use from the law like washing our hands after touching a dead body etc but we dont do those sacrificial animal offerings etc, we also dont follow the old testament diet, the church allows us to eat pork and shell fish etc because Christ has made those creatures clean again, the reverse of what led them to being unclean