Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread


First of all - is this even true?

Second - assuming it is true (big if), perhaps Trump was taking the Bible seriously, and not taking Oaths over God's name?

But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
 
It's no different than any other trading card people buy in hopes of them increasing in value. No different than any other collectors item based on a brand.


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Anyone who clutches pearls over this reveals themselves to be hypocrites.
What is the point in it? He doesn't need money for reelection. Where is this money going? We have fixed income seniors investing into this, so it better have a legit and solid plan to return their investment. It is a huge risk with no return for Trump himself. So why?
 
What is the point in it?

You mean instead of making products people enjoy, he should do insider trading like every other politician to make millions?

Are you seriously asking why someone should be allowed to sell products? Hard to take you seriously anymore.

Pretty obvious Trump is having fun and enjoying the limelight of his victory. He's lucky he's even alive.
 
Can someone please explain to me why Pres. Trump didn't put his hand on the Bible, when taking the oath of office? Melania was standing there waiting and holding the Bible, but he didn't touch it, as far as I could see.

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Constitutionally speaking, I do not think the left hand placed on top of the bible is a legal requirement for the oath to be valid.

He may just have had a senior moment....he even started taking the oath before Melania and his kids got up from their seats.....they had to start moving and gathering round him when he was already one third of the way through the oath.


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Constitutionally speaking, I do not think the left hand placed on top of the bible is a legal requirement for the oath to be valid.

He may just have had a senior moment....he even started taking the oath before Melania and his kids got up from their seats.....they had to start moving and gathering round him when he was already one third of the way through the oath.


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I understood there was some issue that Roberts started giving the oath of office before Trump's family could even line up around him, and this included Melania not getting into position with the Bible in time. I definitely read that Roberts started too soon, but I'm not 100% sure if this explains the timing with the Bible.
 
You mean instead of making products people enjoy, he should do insider trading like every other politician to make millions?

Are you seriously asking why someone should be allowed to sell products? Hard to take you seriously anymore.

Pretty obvious Trump is having fun and enjoying the limelight of his victory. He's lucky he's even alive.
No, I am saying he is supposed to be different. He is supposed to have "f you money" and "can't be bought" and he is "not a politician but a businessman who loves his country and loses money while being president". And now he is pulling the same schemes and tricks that all the other low life's in DC pull, which is exactly why his young base is turning against him.

It isn't a good look and it isn't needed. It is just really stupid. Don't get me wrong, I love that he is doing something this stupid, the quicker the young men realize how far to the right of Trump they need to be to save this country, the better, and Trump doing dumb things like this speeds up the process.
 
But don't you see guys, Trump is the FATHER of the vaccine!!!1 He's to blame for COVID!!!

Will all of the Trump critics step forward here to admit their fault? (crickets)
I'm not sure what you mean by "stepping forward to admit their fault"? I don't blame Trump for covid, however I am a Trump critic with regards to his covid response and Operarion Warp Speed. He was really into the whole thing and very happy to take credit for it all. If Trump is willing to admit that Operation Warp Speed and the vaccine in general were failures, that the vaccine was unnecessary and has actually done more harm than good, that Covid wasn't that deadly and that he dramatically overreacted, that he shouldn't have allowed states to close businesses while giving civillians in retail sales the authority to enforce mask mandates and social distancing, and that it was not only a mistake to sign his name to the covid checks, but that releasing those checks to a lazy citizenry who did not deserve them was fiscally irresponsible and led to massive inflation [(((they))) were always going recoup that "free" covid money via inflation], then I'll be happy to admit to whatever it is you think I should admit to.
 
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do not make assumptions about others (no one cuts my paycheck)
Try reading the Bible sometime

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God."

The Talmud problem is way bigger than Trump, but Trump works within a broken system to bring about peace, which is good for the world and obeys the will of God.

The fact that you criticize this shows you are someone with a spirit of antichrist. Of all the things to criticize - peace? You for real? Who cares if he gets an award from the Talmuds, it doesn't matter what they think, peace is objectively good.
You once again reveal yourself for the neophyte convert who's inflated ego brings him to defend those who cut his paychecks over any form of absolute truth. While you were advocating anal sex and dancing game for guys to get laid I was already decades in the Church having received the sacraments, attending the Latin Rite, and reading scripture in Latin weekly. Your blind allegiance to Trump above all else is obvious to everyone here, who may just be afraid of calling you out on it because you are a moderator. Your influence does not give you the moral high ground especially when your defense of Trump amounts to nothing more than unquestioning worship of a false idol. The one who is deceived by an obvious antichrist is you.

You seem to forget that the title of Prince of Peace belongs to Christ alone (Isaiah 9:6), not a man who profits from bloodshed and betrayal. To elevate any human being to this position is idolatry and blasphemy, which is exactly what the Bible warns us against. Trump has allied with the enemies of Christ, the enemies of righteousness, who profit from his policies, and has been lauded as a ‘Prince of Peace’ by these enemies of grace who promote war, division, and injustice. You speak of peace, but what peace are you really speaking of?

The real enemies of Christ are those who support the systems of globalism, exploitation, and deception that are antichrist at their core. I don’t serve the false prince who sits on a throne of lies and supports those jews who oppress God’s people. I follow the Prince of Peace who delivers true justice, mercy, and righteousness. I reject the idolatry of a system that uses Christ's name for personal gain and profit. Christ’s peace was never about coddling the oppressor nor about giving comfort to those who destroy God’s creation for their own gain.

Look at what the Bible actually teaches about true peace and the role of leaders. Peace is not just a superficial concept, it is rooted in justice, righteousness, and God’s will. Trump’s policies of supporting Israel’s occupation of Palestine, which they have done with genocidal zeal, are not merely morally questionable, they go against the very core of biblical justice.

He does not fit the verse "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God" when that so-called peace was built on a mountain range of child corpses. Everything israel does is antichrist.

True peace comes from righteousness (Isaiah 32:17). The peace that he promotes and is "awarded" for by satanic jews is false peace, a peace that subjugates rather than liberates. In fact, peace without justice is a deception (Jeremiah 6:14). Where is the justice for all the murdered children?

As for your claim that peace with the Talmudic community doesn’t matter,, true peace doesn’t come from corrupt systems that are complicit in the destruction of God’s people. You claim peace is objectively good, but without righteousness and justice, it is nothing but a false peace that feeds into the hands of the elite powers that profit from chaos and division.

You cannot sit at the table with liars, murderers, and traitors and pretend you are working for peace. Christ commanded us to be peacemakers, but the peace He spoke of is the peace that comes from repentance, justice, and standing against evil. Not the peace of the devil that rewards the wicked and punishes the just. You defend Trump as if he is the instrument of peace but in doing so you condone his betrayal of God’s people, as well as his complicity in the slaughter of the innocent and his relentless service to the gods of Mammon.

Your rhetoric about peace is a smoke screen, a tool used by the enemy to blind the masses. You say I have the spirit of antichrist, but look at your own delusion! The true spirit of antichrist is the spirit that rewards those who serve the world’s power and its lies, while condemning those who expose it. The Bible warns us that the antichrist spirit will come with deceptive peace, and you are calling that peace good. You are willing to sell your soul for temporary comfort and refuse to see the long-term devastation of such a mindset.

Everyone here can see what you are doing. You are the only one that downvotes every single post that critiques Trump. Is that some kind of contractual obligation to your employers or is that merely a side affect of your devotion to him? You can't stand exposure of him. You also refuse to call them filthy jews and call them "talmuds" because you are either trying to save face in the event that you are doxxed so you can weasel your way out of a kangaroo court with a plea bargain, or so that your position with the republican party is not occupationally compromised.

I pray that you repent for your blindness and realize that peace is not about accommodating the wicked but resisting the devil and standing against all his schemes while promoting the righteousness of God. And that righteousness has no place in the false promises of those who are servants of Mammon. Do not call me the one with the spirit of antichrist when your words defend a man who openly serves that very same spirit.

While the man has obvious qualities, some of us have taken a moral stance to never align with those who support the jews no matter what. They only deserve exposure.
 
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I don't think Trump really understands anything to do with crypto. He probably just listens to what his sons tell him and signed a deal to license his name and likeness the same way he's done with countless other deals. That being said, it's obviously a bad look, but will do more to harm crypto than it will Trump himself or his agenda.

The no hand on the Bible thing is odd and somewhat concerning. I'd like to believe it was just an oversight on his part, but as we've seen, Trump isn't exactly easily flustered (hard to imagine he'd be more nervous being sworn in than after getting shot through the ear by an assassin).
 
He does not fit the verse "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God" when that so-called peace was built on a mountain range of child corpses. Everything israel does is antichrist.

Trump didn't start the war. He ended it. Where is your point?

A peacemaker is a peacemaker.

True peace comes from righteousness (Isaiah 32:17). The peace that he promotes and is "awarded" for by satanic jews is false peace, a peace that subjugates rather than liberates. In fact, peace without justice is a deception (Jeremiah 6:14). Where is the justice for all the murdered children?

Like one man can bring justice. That job is for Christ. Each of us do our small part to bring peace to the world. And rather than be grateful, you criticize the guy who ends massive wars because of your emotional hatred towards Trump. There is no other logical explanation.


Peace is not just a superficial concept, it is rooted in justice, righteousness, and God’s will. Trump’s policies of supporting Israel’s occupation of Palestine, which they have done with genocidal zeal, are not merely morally questionable, they go against the very core of biblical justice.

Again, for the 10000x time, no President can oppose Israel without facing impeachment from Congress. Focusing on the President when Congress is compromised is completely irrational.

You cannot sit at the table with liars, murderers, and traitors and pretend you are working for peace.

Of course we can, and must, because Christ commanded us to love thy enemy. Working with sinners is par for the course, just as Christ sat at tables with sinners, and your false veneer of righteousness is faker than a 3-dollar bill.

Both the Byzantine and Catholic theocracies tolerated evil within the world, because they had to, and sought to remedy every situation they could as well as they could in this fallen world. Pragmatism is simply humility. We are not going to fix this world. Only Christ can. We do our small part and let God handle the rest.

You also refuse to call them filthy jews and call them "talmuds" because you are either trying to save face in the event that you are doxxed so you can weasel your way out of a kangaroo court with a plea bargain, or so that your position with the republican party is not occupationally compromised.

Unlike you, my soul is not consumed with hatred for Talmudic Jews or any other sinner, and I don't need to constantly insult them in order to try and elevate myself in the eyes of others. Your obsession with denigrating Talmud's shows a spiritual sickness, for God desires Mercy and not Sacrifice.

The problem with Talmud's is spiritual, not racial.

The next problem is that they aren't really Jews because Christ is the king of Jews, and they reject the King, which makes them traitors unworthy of the title Jew. Hence calling them Talmuds is 10x more fitting.

So focusing on their race, and calling them Jew merely buys into their frame. Is this too complex to understand?

And the reason I downvote is simple; a bad post filled with falsehoods is a bad post worthy of a downvote.
 
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