The Destruction of Modern Women

Douglas Quaid said:
It's going to depend on the woman, and how serious they are about faith and getting married. A good woman will see the potential in a man with a future and be there during his growth.

I'm just under 5'10, have about $5000 to my name and make $22/hr.
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If she even remotely passes the boner test and you can maintain the relationship (think on this long and hard), jump at the chance.

I only say that because there are guys with much, much more that find very few worth any effort at all. And I'm happy for you if this is a true possibility, by the way.
 
GrecoRoman said:
This level of delusion is becoming more commonplace.
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It shows you how powerful influence is on women as a group, and that should be very scary to both women and men alike.
Australia Sucks said:
Good men cannot scoop them up if they don’t want to be with a good man.
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We've said it a million times.
Australia Sucks said:
What you really mean is there is shortage of good men who also meet all the other materialistic criteria and are over 6 feet tall, muscular, earn 6 figures, have social status, etc. If you want an average man who is morally good there are plenty of those and I am sure you meet a bunch of them in your local churches before you married your husband (but they likely don’t meet your materialistic criteria).
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It's not being mean to state that (again, regardless of who to blame) modern women are out of control. And the thing is, even posters in this thread seemingly don't realize, it's not good for them. There are countless good men who are also moral and normal, even if not a majority of men. The problem is that the setup for women and the way they are raised is such that they actively thwart any chance they have for marriage with a good man. This includes their behavior by and large, and not pursuing with effort marriage at young ages.

The question that mindless normies never ask, beyond any point of view they might take (walk in his shoes) from a man, is very simple to see things clearly: Why would a man get married nowadays? Of course, we're talking about the above average or quality guys.

Put yourself in the man's shoes. He's worked hard for 15-20 years, worked on physique/fitness, saved, knows about the world, etc. He's going to sponsor a woman and attend to her and all of her issues for ... what? Ask yourself, truly.

Modern women think they can just show up, at any age, at any time, and act like a guy who is tall and has money is just going to sponsor them, forever, no questions asked. Oh and by the way, there's also this thing called a state contract that at best is a headache to get out of. It's a total clown show.
 
Blade Runner said:
He's going to sponsor a woman and attend to her and all of her issues for ... what? Ask yourself, truly.

Modern women think they can just show up, at any age, at any time, and act like a guy who is tall and has money is just going to sponsor them, forever, no questions asked. Oh and by the way, there's also this thing called a state contract that at best is a headache to get out of. It's a total clown show.
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That is the thing, because the majority of women will now sleep with and date men outside of marriage (not saving their virginity for marriage) for the small number of men that tick every box that women desire why would they bother with marriage or serious commitment?

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Especially in this day and age when there is the risk of getting divorce raped or cheated on as a man and all of other nonsense you have to deal with. Chad can just date multiple women so why would he deal with marriage? There is literally no benefit for a man to getting married in this day and age it’s simply something that benefits the woman.
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
Is skin care for a man gay, or what about maintaining low BF%, or grooming? Like, a man who takes care of himself doesn’t seem gay, I feel this is some weird notion which holds men back.
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Maybe I'm not using the term correctly but there seems to be a difference between basic health and hygiene (which is good) and the online looks-maxing movement.
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
Some can point to extreme measures as bad but the basics of looksmaxxing don’t seem gay, I think women just want a man to “just be”, as opposed to engaging in self-improvement. It was common knowledge on the old forum to never mention using game, because that came across as “fake.”
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My point is that if a man is peacocking materialism and narcissism, he is going to attract women who are materialistic and narcissistic.
 
Blade Runner said:
The question that mindless normies never ask, beyond any point of view they might take (walk in his shoes) from a man, is very simple to see things clearly: Why would a man get married nowadays? Of course, we're talking about the above average or quality guys.

Put yourself in the man's shoes. He's worked hard for 15-20 years, worked on physique/fitness, saved, knows about the world, etc. He's going to sponsor a woman and attend to her and all of her issues for ... what? Ask yourself, truly.

Modern women think they can just show up, at any age, at any time, and act like a guy who is tall and has money is just going to sponsor them, forever, no questions asked. Oh and by the way, there's also this thing called a state contract that at best is a headache to get out of. It's a total clown show.
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A lot of men are realizing this and checking out of the dating game. The tough part for myself and others in similar shoes is making a firm decision in what direction to go. Despite what modern society tells us, life is smoother with limited choices. The normies will say if you decide to be a bachelor for life whether that entails living like a monk or something else that you are giving up. I see it as a logical choice to the sober reality on the ground.

Men can go on and on with the hope and wish that someday they will meet someone in the US or you can decide to forgo it here altogether. Or they can up and leave the west and build that traditional family.

There’s not many other choices for conservative men past a certain age. If after a few years of integrating into a religious community the marriage route isn’t bearing fruit, it may not be the calling.

The hard part is the psychological effect of loneliness or lack of sex. This is where many men begin acting out and decide to dive back into the game in one way or another. The other way to look at it is it’s not like sex is even guaranteed in most marriages anyway and that passion fades. Fortunately for myself I have a full life so the loneliness is not an issue, but the lack of intimacy can cause headaches. That’s where I’ve gotten into trouble. If it’s been a while and a woman presents herself many guys including myself will probably sleep with her. Even if you know that she’s not marriage or dating material, there are tons of hookup opportunities everywhere. It’s going to happen one way or another unless you never leave your house.

The other point I’ve seen priests highlight is the lust aspect will work itself out since libido drops with age. But if you are in shape and healthy your libido will remain high so I haven’t agreed with their assessment here.
 
GrecoRoman said:
The other point I’ve seen priests highlight is the lust aspect will work itself out since libido drops with age. But if you are in shape and healthy your libido will remain high so I haven’t agreed with their assessment here.
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Yeah, their assessment is terrible.

It's just so insane to me how bad it is out there. I was fairly ready to go the solo route 15 yrs ago. I hadn't put the pieces together about the culture at the time. Just figured most girls weren't quite my type.

Now, as I'm raising kids, I can observe the effects of modern culture on people who have spouses. I can see how most operate and raise kids. All I can say is that nearly all are hanging on by a thread. And they don't know why. And they'll lash out if you point out certain things. It's very unusual to see a traditional setup now. And, if you do attempt the traditional route you are penalized severely in many ways (socially, financially, etc.). And your wife will constantly have it thrown in her face.

Finding decent women in a church community seems promising at an initial glance, but I can see how the bottom falls out on that. Most church goers operate with the mindset of: I go to Church then I live in the world. Church thing, then, live out there thing. Even the trad churches can just functionally become little more than some fetish for people. It requires quite a bit of sacrifice that I don't think women (or really anyone) is very capable of, to deeply connect Church with life. I don't think most clergy are capable of that kind of sacrifice either, withstanding blowback from hard truths. They hide behind "I'm being obedient" or they are just as clueless as the others who float along within culture.
 
MrRedsquare said:
For the record, I didn't write this "but like most men, sometimes he resists the responsibility, is lazy, distracted, selfish, worldly, etc"

You think it's courage and humility, I find it disrespectful, I guess we are just different. What happens between a man and wife is their business.

That is how entitled, privileged women talk and act. I should know, I've interacted with hundreds of them, literally.

You allow your wife to post on a public Christian forum for mainly men, and are upset when someone disagrees and hurts her feelings.

Privilege is invisible to those who have it.

Women - post gas-lighting, insulting drivel. Like they are some special prize princesses - Gets called out, runs to hubby to save the damsel in distress, what's new.

Zero accountability.

I just love the blaming men narrative with statements like - "awful food that wrecks their masculinity, etc" repeating information to men who are already awake to it. Meanwhile the average weight of a woman in the US is a 170lbs. I'm in England, surrounded by overweight single mothers who also think they are the prize.

Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Peace and God bless.
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When someone is explaining that they have recognized a flaw in their own character and admit that publicly and that they are trying to feel and act less entitled and privileged, and explain how they are trying to fight against the feminist programming and that it is very difficult sometimes, but they are struggling in Christ to honor their spouse and be obedient to the will of God, you actually think that is an appropriate time to be all edgy and try to dunk on and personally insult them? On a site called "Christ is King"?

I also find it ironic because you're here complaining all the time about women doing the opposite, without apparently doing anything useful yourself to improve the situation, and there is a woman making a good faith effort to improve and serving as a good example to other women, and instead of appreciating and encouraging that behavior you personally attack and try to tear her down?

I'm sorry if she annoys you and you don't like reading her posts, or having women on "your" mens forum (this is the vibe I'm getting from you), or whatever your issue is, but it does not justify your comments. If it was some guy struggling with no fap, or any other vice, and you personally attacked them and called them a loser and a hypocrite when they are trying to improve and follow God's will, how is that even remotely helpful to anyone? That is not what Christ teaches us.

And yes, I "allow" my wife to post on the Internet. Indeed, I met my wife on this very "forum for mainly men". What is your point, exactly?

And no, she didn't run to me. I saw your post all by myself. Hard to believe, I know. I actually do read the forum sometimes, because I want to see what my wife and others are up to, and sometimes I respond. I rarely get involved where she is concerned btw, and this is definitely not the first time someone was rude to her. She can handle herself, and it's not my job to follow her around and white knight for her or anyone else. However when I see someone behaving as you are, I won't hesitate to intervene, though I strongly prefer to avoid any kind of confrontation and I try to reason with people and give them an opportunity to reverse course and save face, if possible.

Anyway, I don't particulary enjoy interacting with you so I'm going to cut to the chase. If I ever see you personally insult or attack anyone in this egregious manner again, but especially if it's a faithful Orthodox Christian, regardless of who it is, man or woman, with or without provocation, your posting privileges on this website will be permanently revoked.

Also, if you come at me again with the same poor attitude you displayed in your previous posts/replies, I'm going to ban you without further notice. I am being totally transparent and up front about this so it's completely up to you how you want things to go from here.

That being said, if you are willing to calm down and show a little bit of respect and humility, and apologize for your behavior (this is not negotiable), you are welcome to be here.

I personally hope you choose to stay because in spite of your terrible attitude at times, I consider you a wise and valued member of this community, and in some ways I respect you a great deal. I admire that you are willing to speak your mind and I agree with many of your views regarding women and feminism. However this is not the place for the kind of animosity and personal attacks you are engaging in and I'm not going to put up with it, so it's your choice. I pray you choose wisely.

And since you like bible scriptures, here's one for you:

Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

and here is another:

Matthew 7:3–5 (KJV)
3 “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”

Take care & God bless.

In Christ,

Servant of Christ
 
Northumber said:
Yeah, their assessment is terrible.

It's just so insane to me how bad it is out there. I was fairly ready to go the solo route 15 yrs ago. I hadn't put the pieces together about the culture at the time. Just figured most girls weren't quite my type.
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I’ve struggled with this because I am the type that takes personal accountability. It’s a stoic attitude of hey I can’t control the culture or where things are going. I thought for a long time about what was wrong and made efforts to correct things that I had control over. Whether this be self improvement, putting myself out there more, socializing, becoming more active in the church. After a while I realized it wasn’t moving the needle.

Just like a slave laborer in a 3rd world country can work 100 hours a week and not make it without getting out, I realized much of it was not me, it was the women and the culture when it comes to traditional marriage.


Northumber said:
Now, as I'm raising kids, I can observe the effects of modern culture on people who have spouses. I can see how most operate and raise kids. All I can say is that nearly all are hanging on by a thread. And they don't know why. And they'll lash out if you point out certain things. It's very unusual to see a traditional setup now. And, if you do attempt the traditional route you are penalized severely in many ways (socially, financially, etc.). And your wife will constantly have it thrown in her face.

Finding decent women in a church community seems promising at an initial glance, but I can see how the bottom falls out on that. Most church goers operate with the mindset of: I go to Church then I live in the world. Church thing, then, live out there thing. Even the trad churches can just functionally become little more than some fetish for people. It requires quite a bit of sacrifice that I don't think women (or really anyone) is very capable of, to deeply connect Church with life. I don't think most clergy are capable of that kind of sacrifice either, withstanding blowback from hard truths. They hide behind "I'm being obedient" or they are just as clueless as the others who float along within culture.
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Oh yes, when I got to know many of the women in certain church communities (speaking from a Catholic perspective) I didn’t see much difference with secular women, in fact it seemed like there was more hypocrisy.

What I saw was mindboggling to a degree, some were still engaging in promiscuous behavior, supporting abortion, etc, but it was cool because they would confess and be cleansed. It doesn’t really work that way in my opinion.

Even for myself when I’d bring up lust issues or I acted out and had a hookup my priest would tell me it’s normal. While it is natural to an extent, my point in bringing it up was being in church for an hour a week wasn’t really working, nor was their advice on the situation which was just pray more, read about Saint Augustine, or keep coming to church. It felt like I was being gaslighted. The only solution I found was when I went to live in a Benedictine monastery for a while which I posted about before. Church multiple times a day, every day. It was peaceful. Maybe I, like millions of others don’t have the discipline to live in the world and not succumb.

On a certain level I respected secular promiscuous women more because they were open about it and not living a lie. I know it sounds crazy, but the hypocrisy I saw with some Catholic women was too much to handle.
 
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GrecoRoman said:
I’ve struggled with this because I am the type that takes personal accountability. It’s a stoic attitude of hey I can’t control the culture or where things are going. I thought for a long time about what was wrong and made efforts to correct things that I had control over. Whether this be self improvement, putting myself out there more, socializing, becoming more active in the church. After a while I realized it wasn’t moving the needle.

Just like a slave laborer in a 3rd world country can work 100 hours a week and not make it without getting out, I realized much of it was not me, it was the women and the culture when it comes to traditional marriage.
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GrecoRoman said:
Oh yes, when I got to know many of the women in certain church communities (speaking from a Catholic perspective) I didn’t see much difference with secular women, in fact it seemed like there was more hypocrisy.
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I think I just dumbly found myself where I am mostly. I definitely took action on someone I was attracted to but we've both grown quite a bit - thankfully both of us in this non-modern, traditional direction. Covid is tied to driving us in this direction, strangely enough. Something about it revealed the heart of people. We were both equally appalled at the whole covid belief structure. Everything for us has been in a process of reassessment away from what modernity "offers" ever since.
 
starlight said:
Good/nice girls are uninterested/revolted by anything that gives off "douche" vibes, as in excessive materialism or narcissism whether it be expensive cars/lifted-trucks, being "jacked", or "looks maxing."

I still don't understand the "looks-maxing" and being "jacked." Most normal Christian women see excessive muscles as a red-flag. And looks-maxing is just gay. The interesting thing I've noticed is that the being "jacked" is mostly 35+ guys while the looks-maxing guys are 20s.

Just be yourself.
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100%. I was always immediately turned off - almost repulsed - when a guy was subtly flexing about his expensive car or whatever. I wondered what he was lacking that he needed to compensate with flashy stuff, and figured it was probably much more important than a stupid car. Same for excessive fitness. A reasonably fit physique that comes from a healthy diet and normal masculine exertion is nice. A carefully sculpted body is, I agree, kind of gay.
 
Mrs TexasJenn said:
100%. I was always immediately turned off - almost repulsed - when a guy was subtly flexing about his expensive car or whatever. I wondered what he was lacking that he needed to compensate with flashy stuff, and figured it was probably much more important than a stupid car. Same for excessive fitness. A reasonably fit physique that comes from a healthy diet and normal masculine exertion is nice. A carefully sculpted body is, I agree, kind of gay.
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They use "stuff" in place of character and virtue.
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:


I’m not sure what’s worse, the “conservative” women who talk bad about their husbands, or the husbands who put up with it.
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Well this didn’t take long to find:

projects.propublica.org

Live Action - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica

Since 2013, the IRS has released data culled from millions of nonprofit tax filings. Use this database to find organizations and see details like their executive compensation, revenue and expenses, as well as download tax filings going back as far as 2001.
projects.propublica.org

This woman is head of a tax exempt nonprofit that takes in 14 million dollars a year in revenue where she is paying herself upwards of more than $350,000 a year.

If someone wants to fight abortion they can do much better than donating to this grifter.

So that explains the podcast appearances so she can grift more.

Always follow the money.
 
Looks like in 10 years she grew her non-profit from 1 million a year in donations to 14 million. Recently she gave herself a 100k raise, she was making 220k a year for half a decade looks like and earlier was around 100k, looks like she never made less than 88k ever since pulling in that first cool million. Seems like they produce a lot of social media content, videos and such, all on abortion. They claim to be changing women's minds on abortion. I guess that's all they do, the mental fight, like if we all got together and created a non-profit, paid ourselves handsomely, then tried to change people's minds on the Jews. All I can conclude is: don't hate the player, hate the game. Who knows what her husband does but I bet he's in some sort of similar grifting type situation.

Ultimately I don't have a problem with her. The majority of women were never gaga over their husbands. There are plenty of evil tech bros who make the same amount of money or more working for big tech who contribute much more evil to the world than this woman is trying to contribute good by saving lives. Aren't we supposed to judge by the fruit? Her non-profit is growing, and seems to be making a small mark, and if that saves the lives of the most innocent, would not God be saying well done faithful servant? Of course she's a sinner, and in that interview I don't think she said anything humiliating about her husband per se, she was saying what has been normal for all women in our day and age. And look at her husband, he's clearly not a Chad so why should we expect she's going to have the hots for him?
 
thinkreadwritecode said:
All I can conclude is: don't hate the player, hate the game. Who knows
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Some of us really hate the game.

I posted this earlier, but for some of us, seeing a woman presenting herself as trad and religious while participating in the all-to-common girl boss system represents the height of hypocrisy. Sure, she is spreading awareness on abortion and that is a very good thing, but, as I said earlier, I suspect God affects more real change in the world through those hidden humble women focusing all their energy on their children. It's quiet, unnoticeable, but think about all the implicit lessons for children in that type of life. That is the kind of life that won't look towards abortion, or some other hypocrisy for a solution. Cultural change would happen naturally.
 
Northumber said:
Some of us really hate the game.

I posted this earlier, but for some of us, seeing a woman presenting herself as trad and religious while participating in the all-to-common girl boss system represents the height of hypocrisy. Sure, she is spreading awareness on abortion and that is a very good thing, but, as I said earlier, I suspect God affects more real change in the world through those hidden humble women focusing all their energy on their children. It's quiet, unnoticeable, but think about all the implicit lessons for children in that type of life. That is the kind of life that won't look towards abortion, or some other hypocrisy for a solution. Cultural change would happen naturally.
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Yep. Don’t get the people that support these obvious grifters. All they are doing is supporting their cushy wealthy lifestyles with ‘donations’ Has she done an audit and accounting showing how much of the money is actually spent on ‘abortion awareness’? Why does she need a 350k salary? Most non profits and NGOs are the biggest scams out there. Unless they are efficiently run and there is an oversight committee to make sure the funds aren’t misappropriated.

Just stop supporting and giving money to these idiots.

There are probably thousands of these types of organizations that don’t need some fake conservative woman going on podcasts espousing feminism and other garbage. If you really want to donate, find one and donate to them.

As for the argument it’s the Lord’s work, please. Churches are full of these fake conservative Christian types using the church and related organizations as their own personal piggy bank for financial gain.
 
Just for the record, @MrRedsquare and I have squashed the beef. He received a single warning point (not from me) and no further disciplinary actions will be taken. And I also apologize if I over-reacted or acted inappropriately. As the head administrator I need to remain calm and set a good exmaple for everyone and I vow to do that to the best of my ability, God willing. I only wish to see folks treating each other with kindness, love, and respect, with Christ in their thoughts and hearts. I also hope and pray everyone is doing well and has a joyous thanksgiving and gets to celebrate with their friends and loved ones.

Take care & God bless.

In Christ,

SoC
 
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