The population boom and cycle thread

It says it has been deleted, what did this one say?
It was basically some idiot suggesting that we should return to polygamy, because marriage is "relatively new" and if rich men had harems instead of just one wife, then birth rates would go up, lol. Even redditors started to wonder if that would really work. But of course, not all of them.

People started talking about the middle east, and how in Islam polygamy's normal. Of course noone mentioned that the lack of women that so many men face as a result of this practice is a huge part of why the middle east is so unstable.
 
It was basically some idiot suggesting that we should return to polygamy, because marriage is "relatively new" and if rich men had harems instead of just one wife, then birth rates would go up, lol. Even redditors started to wonder if that would really work. But of course, not all of them.

People started talking about the middle east, and how in Islam polygamy's normal. Of course noone mentioned that the lack of women that so many men face as a result of this practice is a huge part of why the middle east is so unstable.
The entire birth rates thing is a canard.

All one has to do is, again, look at history. That's actually the point of this thread, if you see it but don't really notice it in the title: the population boom made it a good time to be born, but the aftermath suffers precisely because of the boom.

The only elites that lament it are the "Oh, woe is me! Our debt based system and desire for slave labor will take a hit ..."
 
The entire birth rates thing is a canard.
Yes.

An old colleague once told me a story. He was in some semi rural area of New Hampshire or something, where there was an abundance of squirrels. One particular spring and summer the season was unusually fruitful for the squirrels somehow. I forget exactly how now, maybe there were extra acorns around due to a longer, warmer spring than normal or something like that. Either way, the squirrels had a great year. So great, there was a population boom of squirrels. The next year the weather(or acorn growing conditions or whatever) was normal. So then there were a ton of squirrels just starving everywhere. Things returned to normal for squirrels in the neighborhood after that.

This story stands out in my mind because we're basically living through the same thing albeit as human beings. There was plenty, and a relatively peaceful world to live in for a while. Or at least a relatively clean world. Now we're seeing the pressure cracks of society being pushed further apart by our own overpopulation.
The skewed gender ratio due to men not dying young (or at least getting maimed) nearly as often is one aspect of this. I think I might've touched on that before. But that's a point that deserves its own post.
The only elites that lament it are the "Oh, woe is me! Our debt based system and desire for slave labor will take a hit ..."
A while back I was trying to explain to another coworker that since brith rates tend to decline in industrialized nations no matter the culture, all we really have to do is wait out the slowing of births while we incorporate the high tech that off sets the need for unskilled labor. It would require a more patient and educated society to actually work, however. He couldn't handle it, he was a PC SJW through and through and just kind of went "hmmm, interesting" in the way that NPCs typically do upon encountering a thought that isn't pre-approved by the talking heads. Not to suggest that I must be right, mind you, just saying that he couldn't even engage the thought at all. Glad we can talk about this more objectively here.

There's some point about the Japanese figuring this problem out over in the Japan thread. And predictably the Jews are trying to get as many Indians sent into Japan as possible now. They're not even suffering some kind of labor shortage over there, they incorporated a ton of automation in all kinds of ways. Some of those ways are only possible because that society is so insanely high trust. Basically they seem to be figuring out the problem for what it is and are trying to deal with it in a way that works well enough in spite of the personal suffering some must go through due to what you earlier called "the war of peacetime."
 
The entire birth rates thing is a canard.

All one has to do is, again, look at history. That's actually the point of this thread, if you see it but don't really notice it in the title: the population boom made it a good time to be born, but the aftermath suffers precisely because of the boom.

The only elites that lament it are the "Oh, woe is me! Our debt based system and desire for slave labor will take a hit ..."
What about the boom makes the aftermath bad? Isn’t birth control and second wave feminism the main cause?
 
This story stands out in my mind because we're basically living through the same thing albeit as human beings. There was plenty, and a relatively peaceful world to live in for a while. Or at least a relatively clean world. Now we're seeing the pressure cracks of society being pushed further apart by our own overpopulation.
I forgot to respond to this last time, or didn't due to missing it. Yes, with humans the difference is that we can theoretically live and accommodate the population, in a physical and resource/space sense, but apparently we can't in the realm of psychology, politics, and overall harmony because we are so complex. I think it's also because we fall prey to emotions and "caring" for other humans beings, even abstractly, in ways animals wouldn't think twice about. Plus, what happened in one year or one season for your squirrels was able to span 50+ years for us humans, which further complicates the analysis of the subject - we think we can help, subsidize or acommodate the expanding population but with their demands, greed, and envy it turns out that no we really can't. Or, the cherry on top, the elites get sick of it and make policies to cause discord and then pull the monetary plug, inflate while most don't have assets, etc.
The skewed gender ratio due to men not dying young (or at least getting maimed) nearly as often is one aspect of this. I think I might've touched on that before. But that's a point that deserves its own post.
If you know my posts, along with the above is that I posted always (I'm sure I put this in post 1 of this thread) that M:F ratio and excess resources are the biggest quality inducers or selection pressures on women. Fewer males and worse economy of course, make them way better, which makes for way higher production of children, at least per capita. Now we have women working, more and fatter women, and fake jobs, and no one having kids while also have to pay for the older people who control the biggest voting bloc, and just don't care anymore or understand that younger people mostly have no future or demoralized, and they definitely don't care that the women they raised don't care about men at all.
A while back I was trying to explain to another coworker that since brith rates tend to decline in industrialized nations no matter the culture, all we really have to do is wait out the slowing of births while we incorporate the high tech that off sets the need for unskilled labor. It would require a more patient and educated society to actually work, however. He couldn't handle it, he was a PC SJW through and through and just kind of went "hmmm, interesting" in the way that NPCs typically do upon encountering a thought that isn't pre-approved by the talking heads. Not to suggest that I must be right, mind you, just saying that he couldn't even engage the thought at all. Glad we can talk about this more objectively here.
Your seeing the death pangs of the workers unite crowd, who are mostly collectivist since they needed to be; they were the automatons of old. But they're people, so you have connections with them, and even if you don't care about them as people you do if you care about them as people/voters for your cause. Also, your friend implicitly doesn't like this because most of them are either Dem type voters, less competent minorities, or both.
Yes, and as above, you know how many older people die with savings of over than 1M from pensions and excessive retirement earnings? Yet they still worry.

Still, the bigger part that the western countries don't talk about is the feminism part. The proof is that I both know many really wealthy men, successful guys, tall guys, etc - they can all afford houses and families, etc - but there aren't women for them, really. Yes, with better economics more people would have had kids, but it's just at the margins. The rate limiting step is women foregoing families for career and just desiring crazy levels of consumption, stupid costs in housing, and demanding a ton from men. All the while, they aren't young, so why would a man spend on them? He won't. By the time he HAS all that $ (in his 30s) the society does all it can to try to get to marry the washed up ones (30+), not the young ones he thought he was working hard to get.
 


Also another relevant poll graph:
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So basically, old people who decided to not have children, outnumber the lower population, have financial power over them, and voting dominance, which leads to the violent government (that’s what defines a government), taking money from them, and then condemns political violence.

Meanwhile, the young people who have almost nothing to lose, decide that using violence (a tactic older people rely on), is fair, but because of being outnumbered, need to resort to guerilla tactics.

Both sides are using violence, all politics is violence, believing otherwise is moronic.

This is why believing in democracy is a sham. This country is headed for hell unless boomers are stripped of their power, and that won’t come from voting.
 
Both sides are using violence, all politics is violence, believing otherwise is moronic.
It's more nuanced than that. I see the argument, but "all politics" isn't violence, but it is true that the government has a monopoly on violence. Perhaps it is best said that the basis of politics is violence, and yes, that would be true. The basis for society, as a result, is even simpler = men (those capable of power/violence and the enforcers of it, one way or another).
This is why believing in democracy is a sham.
We agree here.
 
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