Armenia-Azerbaijan: Ethnic-Cultural-Territorial-Political War

kevork said:

I was in Armenia recently. First went there in 2018. I once saw a group of Indians outside a supermarket and though what are they doing there. Didn't see any more until 2023 when I noted a few Uber Eats-type delivery boys were Indians. Now you will struggle to walk from one end of the center to another without seeing them. And the center has a breadth of around 1-1.5 miles. Delivery drivers, street sweepers and construction labourers is all they do. According to the govt. there are 20k-30k of them. But there are more than that. The vast majority of them stay/enter illegally, after Armenia made the mistake (probably at the suggestion of UN-Biden-handlers) of allowing Indians to enter with an eVisa. There are Indian agents who lie to them to get them into Armenia. Then they held hostage and used as a small source of revenue by the jeet-lords who keep hold of their victims' passport.

No one wants them. I also saw a black working as an assistant in a small shop.

The average salary in Armenia is about $450. But India is such an uncivil hell-hole of these people, that Indians will go there.
Everywhere needs to block entry of all Indians. Simple. There is something in it for them. Nothing in it for the hosts.

Someone from Kazakhstan told me that Indians have been turning up there - in large numbers. They are the most non-confrontational and kind person imaginable. But they have communicated that it's making them uncomfortable and changing how the city looks.

I looked into it a little more. Kazakhstan allowed them in visa free at the same time as Armenia (coincidence?). Very quickly the criminals seize on it and the opportune find there's another $400 avg. salary country they can escape too.

Kazakh men are appropriately very tribal. When I first went there, one told me on the plane that I should not even talk to Kazah women or I will get beaten up. I had no issues with that. This should be the norm. I'm sure there are lots of bad Kazakhs, but I didn't meet any and they are the best people I've met from anywhere outside Europe. So Indians are banned from going into clubs and similar places. If you search online you will find reviews on Indians online saying they were refused entry into shops. They are hated.

Further, Indians have been going to the CiS for a long time as they have better and much cheaper medical courses than in jeetistan. There's been cases in Kyrgyzstan of men rounding up and beating these students, because someone made a Kyrgyz girl feel uncomfortable. Let's see more of this everywhere they flood in like sewage.









* for some reason that one is blocked - copy it in - x.com/Indian__doctor/status/1791804093998186847

* It was Pakis

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On Aliev. Look at photos of his family.

There's just zero resemblance with his family:

I assume some Epstein was over there, framed the father with a minor, and said, you need to adopt good old Schlomo as your son.

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Russia also started letting Indians in with evisa this year. Big mistake, they will regret this.

Of course all the Anglo countries are excluded. But if they were honest, they would realize who is the bigger threat.

analyst_green said:

Of course all the Anglo countries are excluded. But if they were honest, they would realize who is the bigger threat.

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This isn't about who's the bigger threat, it's about reciprocal treatment. Also, the e-visa is a tourist visa. There aren't many stories of people who overstayed without any consequences.

Thus, those Indians are likely just going to be upper class tourists, not randoms looking to set up shops.

Droughtmeat said:

This isn't about who's the bigger threat, it's about reciprocal treatment. Also, the e-visa is a tourist visa. There aren't many stories of people who overstayed without any consequences.

Thus, those Indians are likely just going to be upper class tourists, not randoms looking to set up shops.

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If it were about reciprocity then they would also exclude EU and Japanese citizens from the evisa list, as those countries impose a visa requirement on Russian citizens. What it's really about is looking tough because the Five Eyes Anglo countries are perceived as more hostile to Russia than the EU or Japan. Thus the government can say "look, we make it hard for enemy spies to infiltrate the country", or "we're sticking it to our foes!", even if the visa policy only has a marginal impact at best.

Also, yes, mostly the Indians will be upper class tourists, but clearly the case of Armenia shows this system can be abused.

analyst_green said:

If it were about reciprocity then they would also exclude EU and Japanese citizens from the evisa list, as those countries impose a visa requirement on Russian citizens. What it's really about is looking tough because the Five Eyes Anglo countries are perceived as more hostile to Russia than the EU or Japan. Thus the government can say "look, we make it hard for enemy spies to infiltrate the country", or "we're sticking it to our foes!", even if the visa policy only has a marginal impact at best.

Also, yes, mostly the Indians will be upper class tourists, but clearly the case of Armenia shows this system can be abused.

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How hard is it to travel to Russia on an American passport at this point?

I was in Armenia recently. First went there in 2018. I once saw a group of Indians outside a supermarket and though what are they doing there. Didn't see any more until 2023 when I noted a few Uber Eats-type delivery boys were Indians. Now you will struggle to walk from one end of the center to another without seeing them. And the center has a breadth of around 1-1.5 miles. Delivery drivers, street sweepers and construction labourers is all they do. According to the govt. there are 20k-30k of them. But there are more than that. The vast majority of them stay/enter illegally, after Armenia made the mistake (probably at the suggestion of UN-Biden-handlers) of allowing Indians to enter with an eVisa. There are Indian agents who lie to them to get them into Armenia. Then they held hostage and used as a small source of revenue by the jeet-lords who keep hold of their victims' passport.

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That's another reason why housing prices in Yerevan are skyrocketing. Add a few hundred thousand displaced Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh who mostly migrated to Yerevan when their land last got reoccupied and there you have it, the beginning of the western-style end of a once glorious nation.

No wonder Pashinyan is often described as a предатель народа (traitor of his own people) by Armenians themselves. He admittedly deliberately provoked and lost the last conflicts (2020 and 2023) to ease the financial pressure of sustaining and financing Nagorno-Karabakh. Russian peacekeeping forces of course wanted nothing to do with that and didn't intervene.

Blade Runner said:

How hard is it to travel to Russia on an American passport at this point?

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Seems hard enough that it's not worth the hassle for tourists. And without a compelling reason, you have to question how wise it is to go to a country that we are effectively bombing and whose soldiers we are actively killing.

The Kremlin is groveling once more, quite embarrassing. Yet Moscow's current attitude is not entirely inexplicable as the Russian political elite actually understands that Russia cannot afford to lose both Azerbaijan and Armenia, and that Moscow simply has a very limited toolbox to work with, ergo little power projection available at hand. Per Peskov: "Russia and Azerbaijan are, and ought to remain, the closest of partners, allies and countries that have a shared history, present, and future". So licking Aliyev's boot it is.



For clarity's sake, most of the Azeri gangsters arrested in Yekaterinburg and Moscow have since been released without any charges pressed. Yet the Russian IT libtards arbitrarily picked off the streets and beaten up by masked Azeri state goons will face serious charges and are still rotting away. Same goes for the Russian journalists who, unlike the IT guys, might actually indeed have been intelligence operatives.

Aliyev isn't backing down and is giving the Russians some additional rinsing. Azerbaijan has given immediate notice that all Russian language schools must switch to Azeri as the language of instruction. Baku has also started arresting Azeri Wagner operatives on treason charges and Putin's envoy Kurenkov, who came to meet Aliyev, was sent back to Moscow without getting to meet Boss A.

Obviously none of this is related to Aliyev's nose or whatever other garbage take, try saying that shit in Russia and see the classroom clowns linea recta getting a way one way ticket to the furthest Gulag on anti-semitism charges. Strictest hate speech laws in Europe bytheway, courtesy of Pooty. Azerbaijan's leadership is actually Azeri and has nationalist tendencies whereas in Russia half the Kremlin is Jewish and the other half Noviop with an occasional ethnic Russian sprinkled in. True multicultural paradise unless you're Russian and brown gangsters rule your block. The only life trait Putin and Aliyev have in common: they both married off their offspring to Jews, even though Pooty still trumps Aliyev because he did it twice. Kinda embarrassing that the grugs are trying to pull up this battered narrative again, reeks of desperation.

Reality is much simpler, Aliyev's taking a dump on Putin because the latter is weak. The current shift in dynamics visible in the Southern Caucasus is due to Russia losing its ability to project power in all theaters in its immediate orbit, namely Eastern Europe, the Southern Caucasus, the Middle East, Central Asia and more. The entire Russian Federal budget and MIC are currently dedicated to fighting an unwinnable war in Ukraine leading to aforementioned loss of deterrent and military and diplomatic power projection elsewhere. Any yapping on fringe issues is a deliberate ruse to lead attention away from this inconvenient and rather grim reality.

It's really not a good look but the situation will likely continue. Putin considers illiberal non-European autocrats like Aliyev natural allies against the 'liberal and neonazi West' even though the aforementioned tinpot dictators more often than not don't agree. Brown turdworld strongmen flexing on supposed tough guy Putin was not supposed to be a direct outcome of the SMO, yet P will try to appease the Azeris anyhow because there really aren't any other options.

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This image is so obviously AI generated that it legit triggers internal debate on whether the RW echo chambers aren't simply consumed by brainrot hence past saving. Literally anyone with a speck of critical thinking, a couple of braincells to rub together and some basic pattern recognition should smell the BS after even a quick glance at that pic. It's beyond obvious.

What happened after the initial love turtle photo.

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More proof that the Dissident Right will swallow any crap thrown at them, just seeing nonsense reposted by shady accounts on Twitter is enough to pass the ChudBS test.

Obviously there never was any advisory like the one above, it's fake. Consider doing a double check next time instead of contaminating the thread. The US Embassy in Azerbaijan actually has its own website (Wow!) and instead it put out a mild communiue on June 23 in which it advised US citizens to exercise caution.

LaAguilaNegra said:

P will try to appease the Azeris anyhow because there really aren't any other options.

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I didn't realize they were this important. Do they fight Neo-Nazis as well?

Yesterday a big Azerbaijan-Armenia meeting took place in the UAE, with the Turks present too but with a lower profile. Word on the streets is that there are big plays being prepared, and that the Russian chimpout resulting in the death of at least 2 and possibly 5 Azeri career criminals last week was actually a late stage Russian attempt to sabotage this deal. The Armenians and Azeris are discussing a peacedeal which will sideline Russia even further in the Southern Caucasus due to its add ons. Hence Putin is pressuring Azerbaijan into abandoning a nascent Zangezur Corridor deal, and a similar Hail Mary ploy was attempted in Armenia with yet another rumour on a possible coup attempt.



The entire Russophone internet was already asking why the Kremlin, corrupted to the core as it is, would suddenly take on the Azeri ethnic maffia. None of it made any sense, they (and other ethnic mafia as well) have had a status extraordinaire for 25 years and counting, they are quite literally untouchable. Yet there seems to be at least some clarity now. Neither the Azeris nor Armenians budged bytheway, because why would they. Power dynamics are clear as explained above. Ergo the Russians abandoned their little plan when Aliyev started retaliating.

The deleted Azeri career criminals, for what it's worth, were named by a homicide survivor as the perps of that crime twenty years ago yet zero action was undertaken. They have since then been named in an additional 44 murder cases. A little tangent for the westoid Kremlin simps, that propagandized lot has absolutely no idea what is going on in Russia or how that country works. These ethnic mafias have a free hand and are actively protected by law enforcement and politicians, many whom are on their payroll anyway. Ethnic mafias have monopolized many decentralized sectors like taxi branches, car dealerships, construction, fruit and vegetable markets etc. Any (Slavic) Russians standing up to this will be driven out with violence and if necessary killed.

The Zangezur Corridor deal is in part due to US and EU pressure on Turkey and Azerbaijan, strong emphasis was placed on the need to respect Armenia's territorial integrity. The bottleneck of the Corridor is Armenia’s Syunik province, with the plan detailing US-run and installed logistics firms acting as a neutral operators.

If true this deal will completely seal off the Southern Caucasus for Russia, and instead open up Central Asia for Turkey which by extension means NATO. That is a big deal not just because of geostrategic angles, but also because of hydrocarbons. Azerbaijan is currently pumping 500k barrels towards Europe a day (through Turkey and Georgia), and has been picked to become a big player in the European gasmarket too. Furthermore Central Asia is equally a big hydrocarbons producer, and connecting Kazakhstan to the Azeri-Turkish pipeline infrastructure through the Zangezur Corridor would mean yet an additional W for the EU+US and by extension an additional L for Russia.

I wonder how many years ago things like this get decided. The current American ambassador to Armenia overseeing all of this previously served in... Ukraine.