I didn't pick any of this up, since I wasn't trying to read into it. If that's the case, it makes this thread all the more bizarre.
The Destruction of Modern Women
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I'm about to write a bit of a wall of text, so I apologize in advance. First thing's first, please forgive me for being so disrespectful to you, Scorpion. Calling you obnoxious and a liar was most definitely wildly inappropriate. I got riled up in a really unseemly manner. That said, I've been a member of this forum for quite a while, and I think I have proven that I am someone who acts in good faith. I am fully aware that I can be very abrasive at times, but when that happens, you can just talk to me, you know? Had you simply given me a warning, knowing myself, I do believe I would have readily apologized. I think booting me from the entire forum for a week was quite excessive. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that I have earned enough good will that I should be able to expect not to get treated like a troublesome antisocial brat who needs to be expelled upon stepping out of line once as an honest mistake. Perhaps I'm being unreasonable here, I honestly don't know, I've never been good at this sort of thing.
This whole situation has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, and I think it's what I needed to make a decision. In the past few months, I've had a few very unpleasant interactions with a couple members of this forum, where I've been called names and been treated with a lot of unwarranted hostility. I have been open about the fact that I am a brown weaboo posting straight from the South American coffee fields, so I think perhaps I am perceived by some as a bit of an interloper. More importantly for me, all the threads I am interested in (including the Orthodox subforum, as well as the videogame and anime threads) are quite dead. I think my time here has run its course.
Now, it's hardly rare for a member of this forum to make a big post announcing their departure from the forum. Often, it is a very melodramatic womanlike attention-seeking thing. I hope this doesn't read that way. I hope it reads instead like a simple well-meaning goodbye. I've learned a lot from this forum, and I want to make it clear that I have no ill feelings toward anyone here. I think all the men on this forum are good men, even the ones who have at times been less than polite toward me. But I believe I've already gotten all the value I could get from this forum, and I don't think I have particularly good contributions to make. I am a certified autist, and I am a very young man still wet behind the ears, so I really don't think I have anything stored in my head worth sharing that I haven't shared already.
Probably it's also not a good thing for me to go around making long-winded posts sharing my fringe opinions about society, women and Jews online with a big "Orthodox Christian" flair attached to my username, because maybe someone will see that and think Orthodox Christianity is for strange people like me. I know how abrasive and tiresome I can be, which is why I am a pretty quiet person in the real world, and I believe it's high time I start staying quiet online too.
I want to thank the people in charge of the forum, and especially Samseau and Valentine, for all their good work. I kindly request that you refrain from deleting this post even if maybe you find it to be a little out of line, as I would like this goodbye to be here, though the decision is yours in the end.
It's been a pleasure meeting all of you, gentlemen. UPM out. And of course, Christ is King.
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This whole situation has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, and I think it's what I needed to make a decision. In the past few months, I've had a few very unpleasant interactions with a couple members of this forum, where I've been called names and been treated with a lot of unwarranted hostility. I have been open about the fact that I am a brown weaboo posting straight from the South American coffee fields, so I think perhaps I am perceived by some as a bit of an interloper. More importantly for me, all the threads I am interested in (including the Orthodox subforum, as well as the videogame and anime threads) are quite dead. I think my time here has run its course.
Now, it's hardly rare for a member of this forum to make a big post announcing their departure from the forum. Often, it is a very melodramatic womanlike attention-seeking thing. I hope this doesn't read that way. I hope it reads instead like a simple well-meaning goodbye. I've learned a lot from this forum, and I want to make it clear that I have no ill feelings toward anyone here. I think all the men on this forum are good men, even the ones who have at times been less than polite toward me. But I believe I've already gotten all the value I could get from this forum, and I don't think I have particularly good contributions to make. I am a certified autist, and I am a very young man still wet behind the ears, so I really don't think I have anything stored in my head worth sharing that I haven't shared already.
Probably it's also not a good thing for me to go around making long-winded posts sharing my fringe opinions about society, women and Jews online with a big "Orthodox Christian" flair attached to my username, because maybe someone will see that and think Orthodox Christianity is for strange people like me. I know how abrasive and tiresome I can be, which is why I am a pretty quiet person in the real world, and I believe it's high time I start staying quiet online too.
I want to thank the people in charge of the forum, and especially Samseau and Valentine, for all their good work. I kindly request that you refrain from deleting this post even if maybe you find it to be a little out of line, as I would like this goodbye to be here, though the decision is yours in the end.
It's been a pleasure meeting all of you, gentlemen. UPM out. And of course, Christ is King.
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It's a bit sad to read this.
I am a bit surprised that you got placed on hold for a week without any warning. Anyhow, I respect your acceptance of responsibility for your own part in the process.
Although I did show concern about the trend of cynicism in your posts, I hoped to offer you support and encouragement, because you seem like a young guy with potential for a better life in the future. The median age of posters on CIK seems to be around 40-45 (?), so I try to keep eye out for the guys who are trying to find their path in life and sincerely want to develop.
As aforementioned I don't think the aggressive tone of certain posters in responding to you was appropriate or useful. You referred to these negative exchanges as a key reason underlying your desire to leave, so I hope some of the readers can consider this as they post in the future.
It's easy for anyone, including myself, to get drawn into tit-for-tat online posting to defend our positions. It's also a natural instinct to withdraw when confronted. I remember thinking, on many occasions, "this isn't worth my time" when arguing with people on previous men's groups and RVF. And I'm not proud about how many times I retaliated to, essentially, prove to myself how smart I thought I was.
To manage the conflict that is seemingly inevitable with online forums, what I've found helpful was to
(a) remind myself I don't truly need to be right or to put someone in their place online,
(b) avoid getting into back and forths with others by simply not responding and moving on, and,
(c) take time to log off for say, a couple of weeks, and then come back with refreshed energy.
I would hope that you can reconsider this as a vacation rather than a firm exit. Maybe take a few weeks or months off and then come back when you are ready?
Either way, you're welcome to PM me and I wish you all the best.
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A lot of heavy handedness tends to run around here, which doesn't help much, especially when the one poster nailed it: men criticizing other men.
Think about that for a bit, then re-evaluate what's really going on when the big picture is taken into consideration.
Think about that for a bit, then re-evaluate what's really going on when the big picture is taken into consideration.
I'm not looking, but nobody mentioned a Coptic girl, or a Lebanese Christian lady perhaps. Her parent would sit her down and possibly could get her to marry a good American, for pragmatic reasons, families would have to get to know each other. Age gaps could be overlooked. How to get involved with those communities? I've been to a Lebanese Catholic Church festival with friends many years ago, there are Oriental Orthodox churches with patriarchs visiting from the Middle East.
edit: parents could talk her 20 yo daughter into marriage
edit: parents could talk her 20 yo daughter into marriage
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I heard about one not too long ago, not bad looking either. If she was 32 that was likely a bad sign (princess), no? Why wasn't she married by then? We lived several time zones apart, so it's not about to happen anyway.
You have to be a part of those communities to have a chance.
Probably for the younger possibilities, true. Like most situations in America, the larger issue.
Yeah, I was referring to the younger/older combo. Otherwise, for those closer in age as long as you Christian you have a chance (obv Orthodox is better).
What do you think the break point is these days, regarding age? Whether we like it or not, it's a reality, however deluded. Captain Capitalism talks about this, and how disinterested women are in men overall, but it's sorta disingenuous in the sense that they become VERY interested with the caveat that it's more social and resource based - they want men but only WHEN older in order to game the system and also get bailed out. It's the part that they won't trade youth and/or fun for the longer game, bigger picture.
Depends on the girl and the family in question. Some are more comfortable with larger age gaps than others. Just keep searching till you find someone that accepts you.
It depends on the culture and situation. If you're trying to marry a younger woman from a more conservative culture different from yours there are a few ways to go about it and the number doesn't really matter if you catch the right situation. Obviously you can't be a burned out old man chasing a teenager but being a well put together older guy picking up a young girl from a culture where chastity is valued is not out of the question at all there are even situations where being of a different culture gives you a leg up. Harder being from a different culture but not impossible I've seen it happen many times, I should emphasize that being "well put together" is very important.
One is meet her young, you guys "fall in love" she fights with her family about you and eventually they have to give in because she doesn't want anyone but you. It's obviously probably too late for that if you're asking about age gaps. The other side of this is that her family is westernized and they don't care you're from a different culture but that kinda defeats the purpose, regardless of how I personally feel about that point you specifically don't want to marry into an westernized family.
The other is through wealth, this one is shitty on the surface but it's real so I'll point it out. It's the same concept as above but instead of "falling in love" as a young couple and youre older and just caught her young were just her first everything so she didn't want anyone but you, this time you're demonstrating your value to her as a man. Yea it sucks that it took money for you to get and hold her attention at first but a lot of relationships start that way, you're a provider and she wants to get married and make babies because that is something pre programmed and drilled into her brain being from a conservative culture. There isn't necessarily something wrong with that.
The last it to take a castoff. This one I could talk for a long time and probably still not give the full scope of it there are a lot of different angles on it. One is a girl that wants to rebel against her culture because her incredibly conservative culture just beat her down. Say what you will for this type of girl but it happens and it can work. I know a white guy, white as white gets and was not wealthy or gifted in any way, who married the most beautiful kindest Chaldean girl I've ever known because her family was just so shitty to her that she wanted nothing to do with a Chaldean guy. There is also another side of this, a different kind of castoff....the girl who is shunned by her culture because she is shamed. But there are levels to that, a girl shamed by her own conservative culture might be infinitely better than just common western woman it's just that her culture is so conservative that something considered completely acceptable to the western world, and possibly yourself, just isn't acceptable in her culture. The last of this same category would be the girl from the bottom tier society of that specific culture, that one also happens a lot where the family just wants to get rid of a mouth to feed because they are old school dumb boaters.
Why did I get a one week one ban? It was never properly explained to me.
Also I am not Indian. I am not sure why anybody assumed that I am.
Also I am not Indian. I am not sure why anybody assumed that I am.
What you are saying makes sense but the biggest hurdle is the first part. Its hard as a foreigner in a nationalistic country to even get dates with a girl from a conservative culture as a foreigner. All the other stuff comes later once you actually get to know the girl a bit but most of them won't even give you an in.
What is your advice about getting your foot in the door as a foreigner?
It is yes but that's the hand you're dealt, although as I said there are some instances where you actually have a leg up because you're not of the girls culture. It's rare but I've seen it multiple times, I've seen random guys, even some I might call "losers", hit the jackpot and snap up some amazing girls just because they caught them in the right situation,
You have to hang out where they hang out, I don't necessarily mean the bar but it can be the bar. Usually nice girls like this they are often at the bar but it's not like you think, they're not there getting drunk getting freaky on the dance floor they are there with a group for a birthday party or something like that and they stick to that group. You can't really run "game", you can't do approaches.....you're automatically going to get shut down because of the girls natural instincts being from a highly conservative culture and trying to protect herself from "shame". Better to be at the coffee shop or at the park and you make an innocent comment then see if she's interested so you introduce yourself and keep it light, it has to be discreet you can't do it when she's surrounded by people of her own culture. It has to be innocent and safe, you have to look innocent and safe....also well put together. Remember she's interested in you because she wants someone different from her own culture but she still needs you to be accepted by her family so you have to present well, she has to be able to be proud of you because she's taking a huge leap on you.
Be really wary of the girl from a conservative culture that is just open and into you right off the bat, that doesn't happen unless the girl has been around the block and is just looking for fun because she knows you're not a threat to shame her as nobody from her culture will find out. Or even worse she just wants anyone because nobody else will have her. Don't get me she'll still submit to you and she may be better than the completely westernized girl but she's going to know exactly how to pull the wool over your eyes, those girls are really slick because they had to be to hide their shame their entire lives. I could tell you stories about girls like that. Honestly all of this is a really long massive conversation, I'm barely scratching the surface.
Also @Australia Sucks not to make it specifically about you but you are asking so I would be remiss not to mention it. You not being a Christian put you at a massive perhaps insurmountable disadvantage, I don't think i need to elaborate on that.
Most of those girls even in conservative countries are just nominally Christian and even in conservative countries while it did happen occasionally overall its been rare for a girl to even ask my religion.
I don't know if i agree with that but that would make sense for perhaps the type of girls who were openly interacting with you in those past situations, they weren't sizing you up for marriage they didn't care what your beliefs were. Regardless your Christianity would be a sticking point in the feasibility of her family accepting you which is as important as anything else if not more in regards to marriage. Every single time a girl in my culture has married outside the culture they always used Christianity as a reason for making it okay. Just telling you what I know to be true, I don't know how much I can speak for other cultures beyond just common old world similarities but being a non Christian is an automatic disqualification in my culture unless you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Lberal woman are mentally deranged