You are the exception @FrancisK
The J. D. Vance Thread
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Not at all, why do you ask? I asked him not to lump all us Catholics in together just as I wouldn't lump all Protestants in together.
I appreciate you brother and I know you didn't mean it this way at all but I have love for all my brothers in Christ regardless of the path they took to find Christ. I wouldn't lump you or anyone else in with a bad group or specific person.
The first 1000 years of Church history are undisputed. The next 1000 get tricky. This forum focuses on what is in common between denominations and codifies it into the rules.
The Orthodox Church considers it foolish, if not heretical, to enforce celibacy for Priests, for example. But Catholics have been doing it for nearly 1000 years and this forum isn't going to make a rule about it. This is an example of where it is fine to disagree.
But things that have been in agreement for an extremely long time, such as the Eucharist and Baptism being a part of salvation, or why worship is on Sundays, or why there are hierarchies, aren't up for debate. Homosexuality is obviously included in this - and so is race.
Is there a grey zone where one man's dogma is another man's opinion? Certainly, and I do my best to avoid that. There is no perfect system to judge but I do my best with feedback from other members here, and prayer to God.
It is certainly better to create boundaries on dogma the best we can, and err here and there, rather than not try at all and have a Pagan forum.
Shaquilleoatmeal
Protestant
Protestants have a different view on Soteriology, so that isn’t allowed, or not allowed in regards to what the Orthodox/Catholic churches teach?
I was merely saying I don’t think he was talking about you he was focused on other Catholics, which he confirmed in the next post.
Anyone can have whatever view they want, but as soon as they start asserting it to be true and above all others is when it falls under the jurisdiction of the rules.
Confessions of faith are fine, even if one is an Atheist, for example. But to assert the Eucharist isn't part of Salvation despite it being in Scripture or Cannon law is breaking the rules.
There is a difference between stating,
"I do not believe in taking Eucharist," and "There is no need to take the Eucharist." The former is a personal confession, while the latter is an assertion of truth over others. The former is allowed on the forum, the latter is banworthy.
The doctrine of the Papacy alone proves this is false. Not to mention the other controversies that precipitated the schism between East and West. According to the West, the doctrine of the Papacy has always been universally understood by the Church since Matthew 16. According to the East, it hasn't. The non-anachronistic reality is that church history is more convoluted than people give it credit for.
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This is demonstrably false given the many Ecumenical councils which have stated otherwise (especially the 8th one).
I´ve tried. But I cant read the wall of texts MFP wrote. Read the first one where he quotes this article:
blogs.loc.gov
This article is written by an intern. A summer intern.
"The following is a guest post by Meghan Berry, who served as a summer 2021 remote intern transcribing and researching documents in the..."
You know why they wrote this sentence right? Because it´s shit. And they are not sure if the shit she wrote is factually correct. If she had written something of value the professor would´ve stolen it from her. It´s just a dumb bitch trying to prove a retard point.
Anyway about sangre. Blood. Hablemos entonces tio.
In 1391 jews started to be massacred in Spain and like the bitches they are converted to catholicism. This new crypto jews were called conversos. New christians.
I´ve always heard about this bullshit. But more related to inquisition. Inquisition were badasses. They make nazis look like choirboys.
Much before spanish pureza de sangre the visigoths had already declared jews were shit (Ok not all jews are shit. Think about Ivanka. Ivanka is like a beautiful building in a really ugly ugly town. She doesn´t belong there. Shes also not really jew). Enfin bref comme disait pepin.
Leyes de Ayllón were actually really hard on jews. Maybe harder than Limpieza de sangre.
But the purity of blood law happened not by the church action like MFP implies. But though a popular rebellion against crypto jews. The cause of this rebellion was a loan for a war demanded by the spanish crown to the city of Toledo. 1000 marevedis if I´m correct. And to raise this money a new tax was to be created paid by the local population of Toledo (really nice little town Toledo. Stayed in two different 5 star hotels. The one in the center was beautiful Eugenia de Montijo hotel highly recommended. The city is also obsessed with knives. Everywhere knives).
The representatives of the crown were crypto jews (conversos) and were trying to enforce this measures and collect the tax from the population.
The population rebelled, killed, robbed and burned the conversos. One of the leaders of the rebellion was Pedro Sarmiento.
The pope was against all of the rebellion and actually excomunicado all of the rebels. Pedro Sarmiento included. But in the meantime Toledo population and it´s leader Pedro Sarmiento enacted a local law called The limpieza de sangre law (there were more two documents). Which means purity of blood. This law forbade any new christian (converted jews) or their descendants to hold private or public offices. It was said jew blood contaminated irrevocably the blood of their descendants.
The reason was jews didn´t became catholics when they converted. They continued doing their jew retardness. And population didn´t like jewish shit. There were many slaughters of jews happening before limpieza de sangre. Everywhere in Spain. Jews by their own will started converting.
The secular authorities obeyed the pope. And the rebels were expelled. With the prince as new ruler.
Here´s the first limpieza de sangre:
"sean habidos e tenidos como el derecho los ha e tiene, por infames, inhábiles, incapaces e indignos para haber todo oficio e beneficio público y privado en la dicha cibdad de Toledo y en su tierra, término y jurisdicción: e ansí mesmo ser infames, inhábiles, incapaces para dar testimonio e fe como escribanos públicos o como testigos, y especialmente en esta ciudad"
The law speaks nothing about marriages. It only prohibits crypto jew conversos and their descendants from holding private or public offices. Nothing about muslims. Cause it was jews the trouble makers. Bellow you can find the full text in english. Later on I think they extended the laws to muslims also.
But there was never a public general secular law or cannon law imposing limpieza de sangre. The only general law was something similar to limpieza de sangre but applied to everybody. If you were sentenced by the inquisition of heresy you and descendants were excluded from offices. But this was for everybody new and old christians.
Inquisition was hard on jews cause judaism was forbidden. All jews were to leave Spain after allambra decree in 1492. But they kept with their jewry on shadows. Cause jews like to trade. Not work.
The fact the church never forbade the marriage between catholics of different races. Doesn´t mean it was seen with good eyes by society.
It´s not that there were low cost air carriers jetting around people. Families lived in small villages. Even today it´s like this.
Nobody is naive or stupid enough to think we are all the same. Of course we are not. And statistically europeans are as a whole superior. The colonies with more european blood people live better. BUT once in a while another non european race somehow manages to create high value people. And if a christian wants to marry a high value person of a different race so be it. But high IQ or looks is not enough. Christianity gives the final test of this person morality. And this is where Usha Vance fails. Either she wants to please her parents. Or doesn´t want to look like a sell out. Maybe she believes she couldnt fit in. Come heathen savage. Don´t worry. There´s room for everybody in the house of God. But the truth is if she loves her husband she must adopt his faith. And in this case his faith is lucky for her the right one.
Casta spanish systems were not imposed by the church. They were just reality. If you married an indian or a black your position in society would be worse. Because the power and wealth weren´t in those people. They were in europeans who had invented gunpowder. Had superior moral codes. Christians weren´t actually sacrificing children in dumb pyramids. And therefore ruled over.
They´re savages. All non christian people are savages. Are to be civilized savages. Jews arabs hindus, etc. All shit.
This is an historical perspective which can be debated. But contemporary perspective of the church view of marriage between races is undisputed. As long as you are catholic. You can marry.
The Sentencia-Estatuto, Toledo (1449)
… Among the privileges and liberties granted by the kings to the city of Toledo is that given by King Alfonso of Castile of glorious memory, in which following canon law he orders and rules that no convert of Jewish lineage may possess or hold any office or benefice in the city of Toledo or its lands and jurisdiction, being suspect in their Christian faith…
We, Pedro Sarmiento, royal governor and commander of the most noble and loyal city of Toledo, and all the councilors and officers, nobles, citizens and people of the city, order and declare that inasmuch as it is notorious by canon law as by civil law, that the converses [converts to Christianity from Judaism] of Jewish lineage, being suspect in their Christian faith which they frequently abuse and make light of by their Judaizing, may hold neither public or private offices nor benefices in which they may do injury, harm and other abuses to Old Christians of pure blood [lindos], nor may they bear witness against them. This by reason of the said privileges granted to the city by King Alfonso. And against the very great majority of converts in this city, descendents of the lineage of Jews, it is proven that they be persons very suspect in the holy Catholic faith who hold and commit the greatest errors against its articles, for they preserve the rites and ceremonies of their former law, describing our Redeemer Christ as a hanged man whom the Christians adore as God, and asserting that we believe there are a God and Goddess in heaven. And on Good Friday when the holy oil was consecrated in the Holy Church of Toledo and the body of the Redeemer held up on the alter, the converses slaughtered lambs and made other sacrifices in Judaizing fashion… Therefore, we hold and decree as follows:
That we must decree and order, that all the said converses, descendents of the perverse lineage of the Jews, in whichever guise they may be, by virtue of both canon and civil law, and the aforesaid Privileges of King Alfonso as also by reason of the heresies and other crimes, insults and seditions in which they are entrenched… are held to be incapable and unsuitable and unworthy to hold any office or benefice, public or private, whereby they may exercise power over Old Christians… And we name as converses of Jewish lineage the following: Lopez Fernandez Cota – Gonzalo Rodriguez de San Pedro… [twelve other names follow].
And we prohibit the said converses from acting as notaries and witnesses under pain of death and confiscation of all their property… These are descendents of the lineage and race [linaje y ralea] of the Jews… And this sentence against the converses in favour of the Old Christians of pure stock is to apply and extend against past conversos, and present conversos, and future conversos…
By authority of Pedro Sarmiento
In another version more complete they also mention how jews opened the gates for arab invasion:
When you study law the teachers will always tell you. Read the f law. Don´t quote authors. Read the actual text.
Talking about walls of text...
Limpieza de Sangre: Legal Applications of the Spanish Doctrine of “Blood Purity” | In Custodia Legis
Intern Meghan Berry discusses the Brief on behalf Pedro Francisco Molines of Mallorca, in the case versus María Aguiló
blogs.loc.gov
This article is written by an intern. A summer intern.
"The following is a guest post by Meghan Berry, who served as a summer 2021 remote intern transcribing and researching documents in the..."
You know why they wrote this sentence right? Because it´s shit. And they are not sure if the shit she wrote is factually correct. If she had written something of value the professor would´ve stolen it from her. It´s just a dumb bitch trying to prove a retard point.
Anyway about sangre. Blood. Hablemos entonces tio.
In 1391 jews started to be massacred in Spain and like the bitches they are converted to catholicism. This new crypto jews were called conversos. New christians.
I´ve always heard about this bullshit. But more related to inquisition. Inquisition were badasses. They make nazis look like choirboys.
Much before spanish pureza de sangre the visigoths had already declared jews were shit (Ok not all jews are shit. Think about Ivanka. Ivanka is like a beautiful building in a really ugly ugly town. She doesn´t belong there. Shes also not really jew). Enfin bref comme disait pepin.
Leyes de Ayllón were actually really hard on jews. Maybe harder than Limpieza de sangre.
But the purity of blood law happened not by the church action like MFP implies. But though a popular rebellion against crypto jews. The cause of this rebellion was a loan for a war demanded by the spanish crown to the city of Toledo. 1000 marevedis if I´m correct. And to raise this money a new tax was to be created paid by the local population of Toledo (really nice little town Toledo. Stayed in two different 5 star hotels. The one in the center was beautiful Eugenia de Montijo hotel highly recommended. The city is also obsessed with knives. Everywhere knives).
The representatives of the crown were crypto jews (conversos) and were trying to enforce this measures and collect the tax from the population.
The population rebelled, killed, robbed and burned the conversos. One of the leaders of the rebellion was Pedro Sarmiento.
The pope was against all of the rebellion and actually excomunicado all of the rebels. Pedro Sarmiento included. But in the meantime Toledo population and it´s leader Pedro Sarmiento enacted a local law called The limpieza de sangre law (there were more two documents). Which means purity of blood. This law forbade any new christian (converted jews) or their descendants to hold private or public offices. It was said jew blood contaminated irrevocably the blood of their descendants.
The reason was jews didn´t became catholics when they converted. They continued doing their jew retardness. And population didn´t like jewish shit. There were many slaughters of jews happening before limpieza de sangre. Everywhere in Spain. Jews by their own will started converting.
The secular authorities obeyed the pope. And the rebels were expelled. With the prince as new ruler.
Here´s the first limpieza de sangre:
"sean habidos e tenidos como el derecho los ha e tiene, por infames, inhábiles, incapaces e indignos para haber todo oficio e beneficio público y privado en la dicha cibdad de Toledo y en su tierra, término y jurisdicción: e ansí mesmo ser infames, inhábiles, incapaces para dar testimonio e fe como escribanos públicos o como testigos, y especialmente en esta ciudad"
The law speaks nothing about marriages. It only prohibits crypto jew conversos and their descendants from holding private or public offices. Nothing about muslims. Cause it was jews the trouble makers. Bellow you can find the full text in english. Later on I think they extended the laws to muslims also.
But there was never a public general secular law or cannon law imposing limpieza de sangre. The only general law was something similar to limpieza de sangre but applied to everybody. If you were sentenced by the inquisition of heresy you and descendants were excluded from offices. But this was for everybody new and old christians.
Inquisition was hard on jews cause judaism was forbidden. All jews were to leave Spain after allambra decree in 1492. But they kept with their jewry on shadows. Cause jews like to trade. Not work.
The fact the church never forbade the marriage between catholics of different races. Doesn´t mean it was seen with good eyes by society.
It´s not that there were low cost air carriers jetting around people. Families lived in small villages. Even today it´s like this.
Nobody is naive or stupid enough to think we are all the same. Of course we are not. And statistically europeans are as a whole superior. The colonies with more european blood people live better. BUT once in a while another non european race somehow manages to create high value people. And if a christian wants to marry a high value person of a different race so be it. But high IQ or looks is not enough. Christianity gives the final test of this person morality. And this is where Usha Vance fails. Either she wants to please her parents. Or doesn´t want to look like a sell out. Maybe she believes she couldnt fit in. Come heathen savage. Don´t worry. There´s room for everybody in the house of God. But the truth is if she loves her husband she must adopt his faith. And in this case his faith is lucky for her the right one.
Casta spanish systems were not imposed by the church. They were just reality. If you married an indian or a black your position in society would be worse. Because the power and wealth weren´t in those people. They were in europeans who had invented gunpowder. Had superior moral codes. Christians weren´t actually sacrificing children in dumb pyramids. And therefore ruled over.
They´re savages. All non christian people are savages. Are to be civilized savages. Jews arabs hindus, etc. All shit.
This is an historical perspective which can be debated. But contemporary perspective of the church view of marriage between races is undisputed. As long as you are catholic. You can marry.
The Sentencia-Estatuto, Toledo (1449)
… Among the privileges and liberties granted by the kings to the city of Toledo is that given by King Alfonso of Castile of glorious memory, in which following canon law he orders and rules that no convert of Jewish lineage may possess or hold any office or benefice in the city of Toledo or its lands and jurisdiction, being suspect in their Christian faith…
We, Pedro Sarmiento, royal governor and commander of the most noble and loyal city of Toledo, and all the councilors and officers, nobles, citizens and people of the city, order and declare that inasmuch as it is notorious by canon law as by civil law, that the converses [converts to Christianity from Judaism] of Jewish lineage, being suspect in their Christian faith which they frequently abuse and make light of by their Judaizing, may hold neither public or private offices nor benefices in which they may do injury, harm and other abuses to Old Christians of pure blood [lindos], nor may they bear witness against them. This by reason of the said privileges granted to the city by King Alfonso. And against the very great majority of converts in this city, descendents of the lineage of Jews, it is proven that they be persons very suspect in the holy Catholic faith who hold and commit the greatest errors against its articles, for they preserve the rites and ceremonies of their former law, describing our Redeemer Christ as a hanged man whom the Christians adore as God, and asserting that we believe there are a God and Goddess in heaven. And on Good Friday when the holy oil was consecrated in the Holy Church of Toledo and the body of the Redeemer held up on the alter, the converses slaughtered lambs and made other sacrifices in Judaizing fashion… Therefore, we hold and decree as follows:
That we must decree and order, that all the said converses, descendents of the perverse lineage of the Jews, in whichever guise they may be, by virtue of both canon and civil law, and the aforesaid Privileges of King Alfonso as also by reason of the heresies and other crimes, insults and seditions in which they are entrenched… are held to be incapable and unsuitable and unworthy to hold any office or benefice, public or private, whereby they may exercise power over Old Christians… And we name as converses of Jewish lineage the following: Lopez Fernandez Cota – Gonzalo Rodriguez de San Pedro… [twelve other names follow].
And we prohibit the said converses from acting as notaries and witnesses under pain of death and confiscation of all their property… These are descendents of the lineage and race [linaje y ralea] of the Jews… And this sentence against the converses in favour of the Old Christians of pure stock is to apply and extend against past conversos, and present conversos, and future conversos…
By authority of Pedro Sarmiento
In another version more complete they also mention how jews opened the gates for arab invasion:
When you study law the teachers will always tell you. Read the f law. Don´t quote authors. Read the actual text.
Talking about walls of text...
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You know, it takes time for someone to convert. She didn't marry him knowing he'd become a Catholic, so it's unrealistic to think she'd convert quickly. Patience is a virtue for a reason.
It is 100% weird and incongruent that a married man within the confines of his marriage would choose to adopt a conflicting religion to his wife's after they were married. This shows a deep schism in their marriage. J.D., by choosing Christianity over Hinduism literally believes that the mother of his children is a blasphemous heretic who is going to hell. Or does he?
What's unrealistic is to expect or assume that a modern woman of her ilk would ever convert.
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I´ve tried. But I cant read the wall of texts MFP wrote. Read the first one where he quotes this article:
Limpieza de Sangre: Legal Applications of the Spanish Doctrine of “Blood Purity” | In Custodia Legis
Intern Meghan Berry discusses the Brief on behalf Pedro Francisco Molines of Mallorca, in the case versus María Aguiló
This article is written by an intern. A summer intern.
"The following is a guest post by Meghan Berry, who served as a summer 2021 remote intern transcribing and researching documents in the..."
You know why they wrote this sentence right? Because it´s shit. And they are not sure if the shit she wrote is factually correct. If she had written something of value the professor would´ve stolen it from her. It´s just a dumb bitch trying to prove a retard point.
Anyway about sangre. Blood. Hablemos entonces tio.
In 1391 jews started to be massacred in Spain and like the bitches they are converted to catholicism. This new crypto jews were called conversos. New christians.
I´ve always heard about this bullshit. But more related to inquisition. Inquisition were badasses. They make nazis look like choirboys.
Much before spanish pureza de sangre the visigoths had already declared jews were shit (Ok not all jews are shit. Think about Ivanka. Ivanka is like a beautiful building in a really ugly ugly town. She doesn´t belong there. Shes also not really jew). Enfin bref comme disait pepin.
Leyes de Ayllón were actually really hard on jews. Maybe harder than Limpieza de sangre.
But the purity of blood law happened not by the church action like MFP implies. But though a popular rebellion against crypto jews. The cause of this rebellion was a loan for a war demanded by the spanish crown to the city of Toledo. 1000 marevedis if I´m correct. And to raise this money a new tax was to be created paid by the local population of Toledo (really nice little town Toledo. Stayed in two different 5 star hotels. The one in the center was beautiful Eugenia de Montijo hotel highly recommended. The city is also obsessed with knives. Everywhere knives).
The representatives of the crown were crypto jews (conversos) and were trying to enforce this measures and collect the tax from the population.
The population rebelled, killed, robbed and burned the conversos. One of the leaders of the rebellion was Pedro Sarmiento.
The pope was against all of the rebellion and actually excomunicado all of the rebels. Pedro Sarmiento included. But in the meantime Toledo population and it´s leader Pedro Sarmiento enacted a local law called The limpieza de sangre law (there were more two documents). Which means purity of blood. This law forbade any new christian (converted jews) or their descendants to hold private or public offices. It was said jew blood contaminated irrevocably the blood of their descendants.
The reason was jews didn´t became catholics when they converted. They continued doing their jew retardness. And population didn´t like jewish shit. There were many slaughters of jews happening before limpieza de sangre. Everywhere in Spain. Jews by their own will started converting.
The secular authorities obeyed the pope. And the rebels were expelled. With the prince as new ruler.
Here´s the first limpieza de sangre:
"sean habidos e tenidos como el derecho los ha e tiene, por infames, inhábiles, incapaces e indignos para haber todo oficio e beneficio público y privado en la dicha cibdad de Toledo y en su tierra, término y jurisdicción: e ansí mesmo ser infames, inhábiles, incapaces para dar testimonio e fe como escribanos públicos o como testigos, y especialmente en esta ciudad"
The law speaks nothing about marriages. It only prohibits crypto jew conversos and their descendants from holding private or public offices. Nothing about muslims. Cause it was jews the trouble makers. Bellow you can find the full text in english. Later on I think they extended the laws to muslims also.
But there was never a public general secular law or cannon law imposing limpieza de sangre. The only general law was something similar to limpieza de sangre but applied to everybody. If you were sentenced by the inquisition of heresy you and descendants were excluded from offices. But this was for everybody new and old christians.
Inquisition was hard on jews cause judaism was forbidden. All jews were to leave Spain after allambra decree in 1492. But they kept with their jewry on shadows. Cause jews like to trade. Not work.
The fact the church never forbade the marriage between catholics of different races. Doesn´t mean it was seen with good eyes by society.
It´s not that there were low cost air carriers jetting around people. Families lived in small villages. Even today it´s like this.
Nobody is naive or stupid enough to think we are all the same. Of course we are not. And statistically europeans are as a whole superior. The colonies with more european blood people live better. BUT once in a while another non european race somehow manages to create high value people. And if a christian wants to marry a high value person of a different race so be it. But high IQ or looks is not enough. Christianity gives the final test of this person morality. And this is where Usha Vance fails. Either she wants to please her parents. Or doesn´t want to look like a sell out. Maybe she believes she couldnt fit in. Come heathen savage. Don´t worry. There´s room for everybody in the house of God. But the truth is if she loves her husband she must adopt his faith. And in this case his faith is lucky for her the right one.
Casta spanish systems were not imposed by the church. They were just reality. If you married an indian or a black your position in society would be worse. Because the power and wealth weren´t in those people. They were in europeans who had invented gunpowder. Had superior moral codes. Christians weren´t actually sacrificing children in dumb pyramids. And therefore ruled over.
They´re savages. All non christian people are savages. Are to be civilized savages. Jews arabs hindus, etc. All shit.
This is an historical perspective which can be debated. But contemporary perspective of the church view of marriage between races is undisputed. As long as you are catholic. You can marry.
The Sentencia-Estatuto, Toledo (1449)
… Among the privileges and liberties granted by the kings to the city of Toledo is that given by King Alfonso of Castile of glorious memory, in which following canon law he orders and rules that no convert of Jewish lineage may possess or hold any office or benefice in the city of Toledo or its lands and jurisdiction, being suspect in their Christian faith…
We, Pedro Sarmiento, royal governor and commander of the most noble and loyal city of Toledo, and all the councilors and officers, nobles, citizens and people of the city, order and declare that inasmuch as it is notorious by canon law as by civil law, that the converses [converts to Christianity from Judaism] of Jewish lineage, being suspect in their Christian faith which they frequently abuse and make light of by their Judaizing, may hold neither public or private offices nor benefices in which they may do injury, harm and other abuses to Old Christians of pure blood [lindos], nor may they bear witness against them. This by reason of the said privileges granted to the city by King Alfonso. And against the very great majority of converts in this city, descendents of the lineage of Jews, it is proven that they be persons very suspect in the holy Catholic faith who hold and commit the greatest errors against its articles, for they preserve the rites and ceremonies of their former law, describing our Redeemer Christ as a hanged man whom the Christians adore as God, and asserting that we believe there are a God and Goddess in heaven. And on Good Friday when the holy oil was consecrated in the Holy Church of Toledo and the body of the Redeemer held up on the alter, the converses slaughtered lambs and made other sacrifices in Judaizing fashion… Therefore, we hold and decree as follows:
That we must decree and order, that all the said converses, descendents of the perverse lineage of the Jews, in whichever guise they may be, by virtue of both canon and civil law, and the aforesaid Privileges of King Alfonso as also by reason of the heresies and other crimes, insults and seditions in which they are entrenched… are held to be incapable and unsuitable and unworthy to hold any office or benefice, public or private, whereby they may exercise power over Old Christians… And we name as converses of Jewish lineage the following: Lopez Fernandez Cota – Gonzalo Rodriguez de San Pedro… [twelve other names follow].
And we prohibit the said converses from acting as notaries and witnesses under pain of death and confiscation of all their property… These are descendents of the lineage and race [linaje y ralea] of the Jews… And this sentence against the converses in favour of the Old Christians of pure stock is to apply and extend against past conversos, and present conversos, and future conversos…
By authority of Pedro Sarmiento
In another version more complete they also mention how jews opened the gates for arab invasion:
When you study law the teachers will always tell you. Read the f law. Don´t quote authors. Read the actual text.
Talking about walls of text...
C'est la vie
(I know he'll write a novel out of it, the catch is that many have tried before)
No need to be mystified about it all. It's not unheard of for one spouse to convert while the other is not. The Bible even mentions it and gives instructions for handling it.
What's interesting about Vance is that he says his wife was supportive of his decision to become a Catholic. From a Hindu perspective, there's not much of an impetus to convert to Christianity, since you can just add Jesus to your list of deities anyway.
Maybe. But I'm an optimistic cynic so I give his marriage 10 years max.
I feel like at least with the boomer generation it was pretty common to see a couple where the wife is a Christian but the husband is a non believer. I've heard lots of people who had Boomer parents talk about how it was their mother that took them to church and was devout while their father was an unbeliever and would never go to church even if he was still officially a member of one and would still be identified as a Catholic or Methodist or whatever on a survey. I think that's why you would see stats from decades ago about the high percentage of Christians in the US. Not all of these people were actually believers but instead just saw it as part of being an American.
That said I do think you shouldn't marry a non believer if you already are one. JD actually went through a hardcore atheist phase when he was in university and he wasn't a believer when he was married. His conversion to Catholicism came after he already has married. It's cases like those that Paul was referring to when he was writing on how to deal with marriages where one half is a believer but the other half isn't.
That said I do think you shouldn't marry a non believer if you already are one. JD actually went through a hardcore atheist phase when he was in university and he wasn't a believer when he was married. His conversion to Catholicism came after he already has married. It's cases like those that Paul was referring to when he was writing on how to deal with marriages where one half is a believer but the other half isn't.
Does it show a deep schism? Or an ineffable mystery of God? There have been tens of millions of marriages throughout history where one spouse was Christian but the other was not, this is far from a unique situation. I trust God knows what he is doing.
Who says it will stay divided?