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At the end of next month I will be going to Kosovo for 90 days (visa free period) to check it out.

A little google and youtube searching has led me to believe it is a cheap country with delicious and relatively natural food. Also it has the youngest demographics in Europe. Median age is around 33 with half the population being under 25. I am hoping the women will be attractive and pleasant. And I know because of the history of Kosovo westerners are looked favorably upon.

I am interested to hear opinions on the country and its women from others especially people who have been there. I am interested to hear opinions on cost of living, safety, walk-ability, sightseeing and activities, culture, language, women, etc.
 
Don't want to make it a politics thread, but be wary with Your assumptions that all people in Kosovo have a favourable view of the west - this "country" was carved out of Serbia after the NATO intervention and the ethinc Serbs are not grateful for it at all. Avoid talking politics, and generally be careful when visiting Serb populated areas - tensions between the Serb minority and the Albanian majority can be high.
 
Australia Sucks said:
At the end of next month I will be going to Kosovo for 90 days (visa free period) to check it out.

A little google and youtube searching has led me to believe it is a cheap country with delicious and relatively natural food. Also it has the youngest demographics in Europe. Median age is around 33 with half the population being under 25. I am hoping the women will be attractive and pleasant. And I know because of the history of Kosovo westerners are looked favorably upon.

I am interested to hear opinions on the country and its women from others especially people who have been there. I am interested to hear opinions on cost of living, safety, walk-ability, sightseeing and activities, culture, language, women, etc.
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There's an elephant in the room here. It's not possible to talk about Kosovo as some kind of organic entity without mentioning the fact that it really only has quasi-statehood because of the recent machinations of the West. Its a territory inhabited by two ethnic groups, neither of which see themselves as Kosovans in the national sense. You'll see many more Albanian flags whilst visiting the province than you will see Kosovan flags. The majority population is Albanian with a Serb minority and those two groups are quite different in everything from physiognomy to language and culture. If you stick to the main population centres you will see very little Serbian presence, given the purposeful demographic changes in the last 25 years. If I were you I'd make the effort of visiting the Orthodox (Serbian) holy sites which are very numerous. The territory was a Serbian heartland in Medieval times and has a very density of monasteries and churches. I can provide some suggestions if you're interested although it should be easy enough to put together a shortlist with a little research. Some of the holy shrines are now ruins or are in disuse. Alongside these I would highly recommend visiting active monasteries as this will give you an insight into the Liturgical life and allow you to get a flavour of what life actually looks like. To my knowledge the Albanians don't have meaningful historical sites of their own but you will be able to find remnants of Ottoman rule if that interests you.

The territory itself does not have a viable self-sustaining economy, it lives mostly of remittences from the diaspora, handouts from the Western states and illegal activities. It's relatively cheap and should be safeish for Westerners although I don't know how much satisfaction it will give you to be tolerated by the perceived association with people like Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. Historically the Albanian clans would have been very insular so the idea of asking about their women as if they were available for you to interact with would have been a non-starter. I don't have first hand experience of interacting with Albanians when I was down there (as I stuck to the Serbian enclaves) but my understanding is that they have become significantly more secular and liberal in the last 25 years. Birthrates are down, women do secular jobs and the way they carry themselves has changed so its probable you will now be able to meet women in the main population centres (for what that's worth).
 
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TruckDriver9 said:
this "country" was carved out of Serbia after the NATO intervention
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I am well aware of that and the disputed country/territory status of Kosovo. Avoiding talking politics in other countries is just a wise thing to do in general. And I am an Australian as opposed to an American or Britt so I assume if I avoid talking politics the Serbs should be at least neutral to me. Plus we have around 100,000 people of Serbian descent living in Australia. So I assume I won't have problems with the Serbs as long as I do not discuss politics.
 
OrthoSerb said:
There's an elephant in the room here. It's not possible to talk about Kosovo as some kind of organic entity without mentioning the fact that it really only has quasi-statehood because of the recent machinations of the West. Its a territory inhabited by two ethnic groups, neither of which see themselves as Kosovans in the national sense. You'll see many more Albanian flags whilst visiting the province than you will see Kosovan flags. The majority population is Albanian with a Serb minority and those two groups are quite different in everything from physiognomy to language and culture. If you stick to the main population centres you will see very little Serbian presence, given the purposeful demographic changes in the last 25 years. If I were you I'd make the effort of visiting the Orthodox (Serbian) holy sites which are very numerous. The territory was a Serbian heartland in Medieval times and has a very density of monasteries and churches. I can provide some suggestions if you're interested although it should be easy enough to put together a shortlist with a little research. Some of the holy shrines are now ruins or are in disuse. Alongside these I would highly recommend visiting active monasteries as this will give you a insight into the Liturgical life and allow you to get a flavour of what life actually looks like. To my knowledge the Albanians don't have meaningful historical sites of their own but you will be able to find remnants of Ottoman rule if that interests you.

The territory itself does not have a viable self-sustaining economy, it lives mostly of remittences from the diaspora, handouts from the Western states and illegal activities. It's relatively cheap and should be safeish for Westerners although I don't know how much satisfaction it will give you to be tolerated by the perceived association with people like Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. Historically the Albanian clans would have been very insular so the idea of asking about their women as if they were available for you to interact with would have been a non-starter. I don't have first hand experience of interacting with Albanians when I was down there (as I stuck to the Serbian enclaves) but my understanding is that they have become significantly more secular and liberal in the last 25 years. Birthrates are down, women do secular jobs and the way they carry themselves has changed so its probable you will now be able to meet women in the main population centres (for what that's worth).
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Good info. Thank you. I am not religious. I will likely visit some mosques and churches if it is convenient to do so as I like history and historical buildings but I am not per se interested in making it into a religious trip. I have done reading into the demographics. I have noted that the population is 90 - 95% Albanian with the rest being a mix of ethnicities such as Serbs (the next largest group), Turks, gypsies, etc.
 
Australia Sucks said:
I am well aware of that and the disputed country/territory status of Kosovo. Avoiding talking politics in other countries is just a wise thing to do in general. And I am an Australian as opposed to an American or Britt so I assume if I avoid talking politics the Serbs should be at least neutral to me. Plus we have around 100,000 people of Serbian descent living in Australia. So I assume I won't have problems with the Serbs as long as I do not discuss politics.
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I can guarantee that you won't have any problems with Serbs unless, as you say, you go around talking about politics in a way which is regarded as provocative. I wouldn't even say that you can't discuss politics if you have non-normie views, although its not a bad rule of thumb to avoid it. Serbs can be quite extrovert so even if you avoid politics it may still come up if you are engaging in longer interactions with people. In any case you will only really see Serbs if you go to the enclaves where they live or the monasteries.
 
Also I just want to reiterate its not a political thread. Its more of a thread for travel and relocation, etc. Although politics can be briefly discussed where relevant it should not become the focal point of discussion.
 
OrthoSerb said:
In any case you will only really see Serbs if you go to the enclaves where they live or the monasteries.
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If I get time I would like to visit some of the Serb enclaves. I have met a number of Serbians in Australia and generally they seem like good people. Many of them are red-pilled, they are usually pretty friendly and the women are beautiful. I even have a Serbian friend here.
 
Australia Sucks said:
If I get time I would like to visit some of the Serb enclaves. I have met a number of Serbians in Australia and generally they seem like good people. Many of them are red-pilled, they are usually pretty friendly and the women are beautiful. I even have a Serbian friend here.
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The thing that surprised me the most, when visiting the Balkans, was how much more extrovert southern Slavs are when compared with eastern Slavs.
I find Serbs and Croats to be more outgoing, a little louder and with much more bravado, than lets say Russians.
 
stadtaffe said:
I've never been there, but Belgrade was worth a visit.
Interesting is the countries which actually recognise it as a country :
Spain in Western Europe chooses not to recognise..
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I have read about this issue. And a lot of the countries that do not recognize Kosovo have their own secession/independence battles going on and thus it would be hypocritical and a bad look to recognize Kosovo as independent when you are trying to deny a region in your own country autonomy. For example Spain has the ongoing tensions of The Catalan independence movement to deal with. Iran does not recognize Serbia and in Iran as much of the middle east you have the Kurds wanting to secede and have their own country. China does not recognize Kosovo because of the issues surrounding Taiwan wanting independence, etc. You can dig through the list of countries not recognizing Kosovo and its a common theme (although it does not apply to 100% of cases).

By the way I don't have a strong view either way on Kosovo politics personally.
 
Australia Sucks said:
I have read about this issue. And a lot of the countries that do not recognize Kosovo have their own secession/independence battles going on and thus it would be hypocritical and a bad look to recognize Kosovo as independent when you are trying to deny a region in your own country autonomy. For example Spain has the ongoing tensions of The Catalan independence movement to deal with. Iran does not recognize Serbia and in Iran as much of the middle east you have the Kurds wanting to secede and have their own country. China does not recognize Kosovo because of the issues surrounding Taiwan wanting independence, etc. You can dig through the list of countries not recognizing Kosovo and its a common theme (although it does not apply to 100% of cases).
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For the same reason Serbia, despite close cultural, political and Religious ties with Russia, doesn't recognize the annexation of Crimea and other parts of ukraine, because by doing so they would had to acknowledge the separation of Kosovo.

Australia Sucks said:
By the way I don't have a strong view either way on Kosovo politics personally.
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Maybe it's better that way. You will be able to explore, and enjoy, Kosovo in an unbiased way.
 
Well, have a good trip to Europe's drug capital, a hellhole full of criminal gangs of all kinds, a quasi-artificial state made by courtesy of (((US))) and (((NATO))), a country without any functioning economy or perspective for the future, а micro-Afghanistan if you will. If you are planning to move there, may God help you. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, so better be cautious. If you come across a field of poppies or maryjane growing in the wild, be sure to snap a picture.

If you plan on whoring, avoid the countryside and stay in the city centers (just one or two anyway), they are (((liberal))) enough for that. Muslim Albanians are otherwise very traditional and may even stone you for insolence. Well, actually not if you tell them you're a Western citizen, or better yet an American, in which case they may throw their daughters at you for free or something. Not that you would like them anyway.

Regarding Serbs, if you forget about whoring part and don't act like they owe you something (a behavior typical of many a Western tourist), or in other words if you act civilized and be humble, you will have exactly zero problems. Don't forget that they are European Christian people living in ghettos in 21st century Europe (courtesy of the West and NATO) and there really is nothing to see there. So stick to the Albanians if you want fun and games. There's really no reason to visit such a place, if you're going "to have fun" and not for religious or cultural reasons, much less to relocate there. It is a place of frozen conflict waiting to happen sooner or later.
 
Kingdom said:
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, so better be cautious.
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I've been biting my lip, trying to stay friendly and encouraging, but since you brought it up..

Don't blow all your cash on a 3 month lease in Pristina. Start in Kosovo but don't exclude the rest of Europe. Even the rest of Yugoslavia. I can understand if one has already been everywhere in Europe as I more or less have that there is a wish to tick off Kosovo as well. But there are such beautiful and wonderful places on the continent. I haven't been to Kosovo but also suspect if I did I'd probably be calling it the toilet of the former Yugoslavia. If I were wanting to visit Muslim Yugoslavia I would go first to Bosnia / Sarajevo. Even that Christian but rarely mentioned country called Macedonia may be interesting.

Albania has a reputation for human trafficking. In a former workplace, the one person I clashed with was Albanian. Then I was talking to someone who went to Albania near the Greek border and the strongest memory was watching a bunch of black Mercedes turn up to a bar till late in the night, mafia style. Then I was in a language class in the last few years and there was a woman who was from Kosovo. I had the misfortune of working with her several times over a week and just like the Albanian I once worked with she was just wrong. Then I have known a few Bosnian refugees. Remember that siege of Sarajevo of the 90s? The Bosnians are okay in my experience.
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Also it has the youngest demographics in Europe. Median age is around 33 with half the population being under 25
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You could say that about certain fast breeding places in Africa.. I wish Europe was like that more, just based on the numbers but it smells to me like a fast growing group deliberately supported by Nato so as to annoy undermine the neighbouring Christian countries which Nato bombed.

Gotta try to be nice to them, benefit of the doubt, the Kosovan refugees one meets in the West but so far I have only formed a rather negative impression.
 
stadtaffe said:
Don't blow all your cash on a 3 month lease in Pristina. Start in Kosovo but don't exclude the rest of Europe. Even the rest of Yugoslavia. I can understand if one has already been everywhere in Europe as I more or less have that there is a wish to tick off Kosovo as well. But there are such beautiful and wonderful places on the continent. I haven't been to Kosovo but also suspect if I did I'd probably be calling it the toilet of the former Yugoslavia. If I were wanting to visit Muslim Yugoslavia I would go first to Bosnia / Sarajevo. Even that Christian but rarely mentioned country called Macedonia may be interesting.
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I will explore the rest of the Balkans in due time. But in general I usually like to visit just one country per vacation to see it properly. And I am starting with Kosovo and leaving the other more interesting and larger Balkan countries for other trips when I can dedicate more time and money. Kosovo is me dipping a toe into the water of the Balkans region.
 
Kingdom said:
If you plan on whoring, avoid the countryside and stay in the city centers (just one or two anyway), they are (((liberal))) enough for that. Muslim Albanians are otherwise very traditional and may even stone you for insolence. Well, actually not if you tell them you're a Western citizen, or better yet an American, in which case they may throw their daughters at you for free or something. Not that you would like them anyway.

Regarding Serbs, if you forget about whoring part and don't act like they owe you something (a behavior typical of many a Western tourist), or in other words if you act civilized and be humble, you will have exactly zero problems. Don't forget that they are European Christian people living in ghettos in 21st century Europe (courtesy of the West and NATO) and there really is nothing to see there. So stick to the Albanians if you want fun and games. There's really no reason to visit such a place, if you're going "to have fun" and not for religious or cultural reasons, much less to relocate there. It is a place of frozen conflict waiting to happen sooner or later.
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I never mentioned anything about whoring. I am not looking for whores but when I am there it would be nice to find a girlfriend and I am open to dating any ethnic group there (Albanians, Serbs, Bosniaks, Turks, etc).
 
Kingdom said:
Not that you would like them anyway.
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Can you explain why I wouldn't like the Albanian girls?

How much time have you spent in Kosovo?

At the end of the day you could be right about Kosovo but one man's hell is another man's paradise and two men can go to the same country and end up with diametrically opposed opinions of the place. You just have to see for yourself if you like it.

Kingdom said:
Regarding Serbs, if you forget about whoring part and don't act like they owe you something (a behavior typical of many a Western tourist), or in other words if you act civilized and be humble, you will have exactly zero problems.
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If I am humble and show respect is there any reason I would not be able to get a long-term Serbian girlfriend if I tried? I am not looking to get married but having a long-term girlfriend would be nice.
I like to think I do not behave as a typical Western tourist. I always try to hang out with locals, give them souvenirs where appropriate, visit off the beaten track places and try to learn about their customs and culture, stay out of politics, etc.
 
How much time have you spent in Kosovo?
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I did. I have a family member with Serbian heritage. I know the situation firsthand.
I like to think I do not behave as a typical Western tourist.
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I always try to hang out with locals, give them souvenirs where appropriate.
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Perhaps you can give souvenirs to African natives. It would be more appropriate.
Understand, the last thing European Christian people living in ghettos due to NATO/Western bombing wants is to entertain a jaded Western tourist with stories about their customs and "lesser beaten tracks". Kosovo enclaves are not an amusement park. If you really want to visit ex-Yugoslav Muslim places, visit Bosnia. They are more or less at the European civilizational level. Which cannot be said for Kosovo Albanians.
At the end of the day you could be right about Kosovo but one man's hell is another man's paradise and two men can go to the same country and end up with diametrically opposed opinions of the place. You just have to see for yourself if you like it.
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I warned you about the Albanian population out of good intentions and for your own good. You can choose to believe the clichés and platitudes, that's your choice. Have a good day.
 
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