Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence Thread

Mainly just using it as a chatbot and sometimes in-line suggestions but agentic AI like Claude Code is the cutting edge of this stuff right now and I'm looking to integrate it into my workflow at some point.

I'm using agentic AI lately and it's very powerful. Cloned a few different open-source projects with issue reports that have been open for months, it was able to solve them within 20 mins and 1-3 prompts each. Very useful for software that I'm not interested in learning the language or codebase for but want to fix a bug or add a small feature. Using GitHub Copilot Pro at the moment but intend on trying a few different ones to see which gives the best results.
 
Elon’s latest take on AI future mentions that our society will go through a period of “disruption” but eventually will get to a wonderful place, where money is meaningless and work is optional if that provide you satisfaction and enjoyment. This sounds a lot like the Book of Revelations IMO.
 
This is absolute madness.... I'm kind of conflicted because it's AI but on the other hand the Synthwave 80's jams it's making are 1000% better than any modern slop being pushed out by mainstream music.







My grandparents have passed but I can't imagine sitting them down and playing them this stuff and telling them a person isn't that voice they hear and a person didn't play that music that's playing along with it.
 
My grandparents have passed but I can't imagine sitting them down and playing them this stuff and telling them a person isn't that voice they hear and a person didn't play that music that's playing along with it.
Any honest person at this point has to admit that AI-generated music cannot be dismissed out of hand as "slop". It is, at least much of it, unequivocally good, and is indistinguishable from music made by skilled and artists and producers. The ramifications of this fact are currently unknown, but they will likely be profound and far-reaching, given how impactful music is on human culture.

I think a best-case scenario is that people gradually come to regard the use of AI in music as being little different from the powerful music production software that producers have already been using for decades. After all, if a song is already using a bunch of sampled instruments and sound packs cobbled together by software, is there much more of a difference having AI generate voices and melodies of its own? I think that convenience, economics, and sheer popularity will win out over any lingering attachment to human-exclusive performance and creativity, and AI music will soon be treated the same as traditionally produced and recorded music. In the end, all that really matters is how catchy the song is, and how much people enjoy listening to it.

We've already seen AI take over in the production of visual art. Music will be next, and then the major shift will be movies and television shows produced entirely with the use of AI. That's when things will really start to get weird and unpredictable. We've already suffered the death of American monoculture, which in a racially, politically, and religiously divided country, was, along with a good economy, the only thing holding people together. But with the rise of AI-generated audiovisual media, people will move from existing inside of cultural silos like they do now, to existing exclusively in their own individual, atomized cultural experience, one tailored to their exclusive tastes by their own individual algorithm.

People who fall into this abyss will, after some time, eventually discover that they no longer have anything in common with anyone at all, and have essentially surrendered a large portion of their humanity. Things could get very dark and confusing until society acclimates to this dangerous new technology.
 
People who fall into this abyss will, after some time, eventually discover that they no longer have anything in common with anyone at all, and have essentially surrendered a large portion of their humanity. Things could get very dark and confusing until society acclimates to this dangerous new technology.
The funny thing is this is not only what the technocrats want, it's what the people want too. Everybody wants to live in their own bubbles. You may have some fear mongering from the grifters on the right, but their actions betray their words. No one will be right and no one will be wrong. Everyone will be right in his own mind.
 
For the record I wasn't calling the AI music slop. I was saying it was better than the mainstream "slop" being pushed out by all the big studios.
I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The "AI is just slop" is a sentiment you frequently hear these days though, from purists and musicians themselves, mostly. I think it will become much less common very quickly over the coming years, though. Music is ultimately just a means of producing sounds that resonate with people, and people will ultimately gravitate to whatever they find pleasing to the ear, regardless of how it is made.
 
Any honest person at this point has to admit that AI-generated music cannot be dismissed out of hand as "slop". It is, at least much of it, unequivocally good, and is indistinguishable from music made by skilled and artists and producers. The ramifications of this fact are currently unknown, but they will likely be profound and far-reaching, given how impactful music is on human culture.

I think a best-case scenario is that people gradually come to regard the use of AI in music as being little different from the powerful music production software that producers have already been using for decades. After all, if a song is already using a bunch of sampled instruments and sound packs cobbled together by software, is there much more of a difference having AI generate voices and melodies of its own? I think that convenience, economics, and sheer popularity will win out over any lingering attachment to human-exclusive performance and creativity, and AI music will soon be treated the same as traditionally produced and recorded music. In the end, all that really matters is how catchy the song is, and how much people enjoy listening to it.

We've already seen AI take over in the production of visual art. Music will be next, and then the major shift will be movies and television shows produced entirely with the use of AI. That's when things will really start to get weird and unpredictable. We've already suffered the death of American monoculture, which in a racially, politically, and religiously divided country, was, along with a good economy, the only thing holding people together. But with the rise of AI-generated audiovisual media, people will move from existing inside of cultural silos like they do now, to existing exclusively in their own individual, atomized cultural experience, one tailored to their exclusive tastes by their own individual algorithm.

People who fall into this abyss will, after some time, eventually discover that they no longer have anything in common with anyone at all, and have essentially surrendered a large portion of their humanity. Things could get very dark and confusing until society acclimates to this dangerous new technology.
This is in part shy I'm no longer interested in music, movies or visual art, everything became too fake long time ago, before AI even and now will get more fake. All these false distractions are traps for the brain, to pull it away from reality and into hectic babylonian world. Soon it will be impossible to tell if something was made by a human or AI. I will stick to real life nature and animal sounds, or just silence, the latter is one of the best sounds on Earth. Nothing is like the sound of silent nature. I actually think AI is the beginning of the end of humankind and a dark force nothing can acclimate too. AI music is like those sirens singing to Odyssey, singing beautiful songs to lure to destruction. The world is getting too weird to live in with that stuff being pushed. As a minimum, this should likely lead to WW3, it will make people so disconnected and insane that they will be easy prey.
 
JUST IN - Trump signs "Genesis Mission" executive order to build an "integrated AI platform" with access to "Federal scientific datasets" to dramatically accelerate AI development "comparable in urgency and ambition to the Manhattan Project" that developed nuclear weapons.

Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/11/launching-the-genesis-mission/
Is this preparation for WW3? Or just Warp Speed 2? My wonk-meter is spinning with all that AI stuff suddenly being pushed, it really reminds of "vaccines" and mask push just recently. Big, unwanted, dangerous change being pushed on people worldwide by the elites. I guess this is now that New World order after Great Reset looks like and they are just starting. I always said it will not be "vaccines" that will be their real strike, corona hoax was just to clear the path for other things.
All these "digital assistants" being pushed and AI art are beyond dystopian.
 
Any honest person at this point has to admit that AI-generated music cannot be dismissed out of hand as "slop". It is, at least much of it, unequivocally good, and is indistinguishable from music made by skilled and artists and producers. The ramifications of this fact are currently unknown, but they will likely be profound and far-reaching, given how impactful music is on human culture.
Most music made these days is slop. So that's a misleading frame.

I listened to AI music for a few weeks and it was aggravating to my soul, never doing it again.

If you train AI on slop, that's what it will produce.

As for whether AI can produce good art?

Art I believe is an expression of the soul. To produce good art, you'd need an AI with a soul. Of course that is possible, nothing is impossible with God.

The question is if it is good, not if it is possible.
 
I was listening to a 50s mix when the queue started playing AI songs that were made to fit that era. I thought the songs were really good but the only reason I questioned them was because I know the music of that era like the back of my hand. A casual would not have been able to tell the difference. I have a harder time seeing AI generated books, films, or shows becoming mainstream. AI seems to show it's weakness when it comes to writing.
 
I have a harder time seeing AI generated books, films, or shows becoming mainstream. AI seems to show it's weakness when it comes to writing.
I think AI will be able to handle long-form formulaic writing fairly easily over the next few years (i.e. "write me an 80,000 word detective novel or vampire romance"). Deeper and more original books and scripts will simply be done in conjunction with authors. AI is already very good at writing short-form text (Vox Day actually had a really good post about this on his AI Central blog awhile back, showing how even professional writers couldn't pick out AI-written micro fiction, which is basically just a short scene). And writing any sort of fiction is simply a process of creating an overarching narrative and piecing together the scenes that comprise it.

So a writer or group of writers who are competent at coming up with interesting characters/setting and crafting a storyline (which is actually by far the easiest part of fiction writing) will be able to utilize AI to do the heavy lifting of actually producing the text (which is by far the most difficult aspect). Basically, think of the difference between a competent carpenter using modern power tools, and one limited to traditional tools. You might consider the latter more of a skilled artisan, but the former will absolutely destroy him in sheer volume of output.

As someone with a deep appreciation for the craft of writing, I certainly take no joy in this development. But this seems to be the direction we're heading, and I don't see any way of slowing it down, much less stopping it.
 
I think AI will be able to handle long-form formulaic writing fairly easily over the next few years (i.e. "write me an 80,000 word detective novel or vampire romance"). Deeper and more original books and scripts will simply be done in conjunction with authors. AI is already very good at writing short-form text (Vox Day actually had a really good post about this on his AI Central blog awhile back, showing how even professional writers couldn't pick out AI-written micro fiction, which is basically just a short scene). And writing any sort of fiction is simply a process of creating an overarching narrative and piecing together the scenes that comprise it.
You're missing what truly makes art important.

An artist is inspired by every daily event, every new friend, every societal disaster, every philosophical question of their time.

The greatest works are those warning about future problems, about current problems, those comparing our past to our present.

This is not something an AI can relate to without a soul, because while it might understand the situation of the modern world mathematically, it does not understand it emotionally.

This is not something common among artists either. Many regurgitate what they see without truly expressing something deep. Yet, if you know where to look, you can find it in the strangest of places. God delights in the small things after all.

So a writer or group of writers who are competent at coming up with interesting characters/setting and crafting a storyline (which is actually by far the easiest part of fiction writing) will be able to utilize AI to do the heavy lifting of actually producing the text (which is by far the most difficult aspect). Basically, think of the difference between a competent carpenter using modern power tools, and one limited to traditional tools. You might consider the latter more of a skilled artisan, but the former will absolutely destroy him in sheer volume of output.
Firstly, much of my interest lies in fanfiction, where the reverse is true. Authors who struggle to come up with their own interesting characters, or perhaps simply are already interested in characters that exist.

One fanfiction I quite enjoyed was written in Portuguese and translated using AI with minor editing by the author.

Secondly, I will admit this idea has merit. The largest stumbling block for a writer is getting started. Once you have the ball rolling, co-authors, editors and proofreaders will appear.

I disagree on the volume of output. I think the analogy here is more starting a small business. AI is the equivalent of having a computer. It becomes possible to do it with just one person alone.

Just as we have many examples of a single person creating a game that rivals AAA titles. AI will allow the same on a grander scale.

As someone with a deep appreciation for the craft of writing, I certainly take no joy in this development. But this seems to be the direction we're heading, and I don't see any way of slowing it down, much less stopping it.
That depends on how it evolves.

I expect the result will be that "woke" titles will die off, and the most successful works will be those that use primarily human labour anyway.

I suppose it remains to be seen.
 
There will be no stopping it. Producers will see AI as a money-printing button. They will release the AI written show, whether it's good or not. Almost everything Disney puts out these days is hot garbage but you still have millions of people eating it up. The in-house writers that produce slop will be outsourced by the AI that can also produce slop. I agree that this is coming.

I suppose the real question is about the high quality stuff, in which case, I agree that the writers will use (and are already using) AI to bounce ideas off of and refine their own, but I don't see a world where AI can write something with the thematic depth and narrative consistency of say Oedipus Rex. Do you think AI will ever be capable of producing something on the level of the Bible?
 
There will be no stopping it. Producers will see AI as a money-printing button. They will release the AI written show, whether it's good or not. Almost everything Disney puts out these days is hot garbage but you still have millions of people eating it up. The in-house writers that produce slop will be outsourced by the AI that can also produce slop. I agree that this is coming.

I suppose the real question is about the high quality stuff, in which case, I agree that the writers will use (and are already using) AI to bounce ideas off of and refine their own, but I don't see a world where AI can write something with the thematic depth and narrative consistency of say Oedipus Rex. Do you think AI will ever be capable of producing something on the level of the Bible?
What's your opinion of the population boom theory I've posited?
 
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