Insurance is a jew scam? As much as all fast food and most restaurant industry is a jew scam to kill and poison people, so it's not going anywhere. They will just put more bugs, cellulose pulp, toxic waste or whatever into it to make it cheaper if people stop buying crap-o-burger or cheap-otle.
Is fast food as a business doing well or is fast food dying out, how about vs the chipotle model.
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This is such a boomer attitude. I have zero sympathy for greedy boomers who think that young people today should be working for a mere sub $20 per hour. If these greedy fucks stopped voting for the importation of millions of immigrants even basic jobs would pay above $20 per hour and people would have more enthusiasm at there jobs. Get rid off all the immigrants and then even the people working at McDonald’s will be getting paid at least $25 per hour.
If you want to pay people dog shit wages don’t expect them to have pride in their work or show up on time. You get what you pay for. Why should zoomers at McDonald’s break their back for $12 per hour while the parasitic CEO is getting paid $19 million dollars per year off the back of their hard work.
Boomers created this mess so they have no right to complain about anything. Boomers are the most selfish and parasitical generation.
What's wrong with $15 an hour when you're 20 and have zero skills and life experience? No one is entitled to start at the top.
You obviously have no experience as an employer in 2025.
Victim, victim, victim. "Boomers did this to me!" Clearly you were out voted on the content of my above post and cherry picked it to vent over the fact that you're almost 40, still living with your parents, and will never marry a Christian virgin because you are an atheist. You are the newest iteration of IRT. You clearly aren't white and have some kind of inferiority complex steeped in "late blooming" that will keep you living with your parents until the end of 2026 when you will have one million dollars and can finally start living your life by abandoning your family and country to hunt teenage poon overseas. Based on your obsession with money, age gaps, and young(ish) virgins I'd guess "jew," but you aren't white, so hmmm? Panjeet?
I just had an interview to be an HVAC helper. They're offering $18-20/hr. Seems like a great job and career, but where I live is very expensive. Rent, gas, groceries, etc. One of the guys doing the interview mentioned how he made $10/hr when he started. Cool story, but that was still much better money at the time when the cost of living was much, much lower. Many of these older blue collar guys are completely out of touch. And it seems like some of them don't want the younger generations to do well. You should see how awful they can be trying to train someone.
Meanwhile I got offered $50,000 base + commission, full benefits and 4 day work week to sell insurance. Not my dream job but at least the guy takes good care of his employees.
$18/hr to do hard manual labor in today's economy is ridiculous. If that makes me entitled, then so be it. I'd rather stick up for myself. Hell, fast food and gas station workers are making more than that.
Meanwhile I got offered $50,000 base + commission, full benefits and 4 day work week to sell insurance. Not my dream job but at least the guy takes good care of his employees.
$18/hr to do hard manual labor in today's economy is ridiculous. If that makes me entitled, then so be it. I'd rather stick up for myself. Hell, fast food and gas station workers are making more than that.
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I’m not Indian.
You sound like all of my former employees who thought they should be making as much money as I do for the monkey work they do while taking a sick day when they have a hang nail and a vacation every other month, not giving two shits about what actually happens as long as they collect their paycheck while spending half the work day on their phones. Forget that I'm there 7 days a week working my ass off doing the work of 5 of them and I pretty much gave up my life to build the businesses.
If they were worth more I would have paid them more instead of getting rid of them, I'm starving for competent employees I would open half a dozen new business ventures tomorrow if I had people to actually run them that that were entitled and lazy.
Nobody owes you anything.
I bet you the retard owner of the company says dumb shit like “nobody wants to work anymore” while offering $20 per hour for backbreaking manual labour with a straight face. I’m sure if he paid $30 per hour plus overtime and bonuses he could actually hire some loyal and enthusiastic employees but he is too much of cheapskate for that.
Maybe if you paid enough you would find these people. America has no shortage of hardworking talented employees, but good employees aren’t cheap. It sounds like you are bitter because top notch employees refuse to work for shitty wages
I pay my employees who work well much more than they deserve so they stick around, actually I make many of them partners in new ventures. I do whatever it takes to retain them because they are worth it and I've made many a man a success, even to my own detriment just because they deserved it and I saw them as family for their loyalty. Then there are the employees who talk like you do that think they should be making as much money as I do just because we breathe the same air, those ones are disposable and go nowhere. The ones who don't understand that you actually have to earn your keep and think if they just whine enough they'll get what they want.
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I'd be all over the hvac job if it was around $25/hr. Maybe even as low as $22/hr.
Many trade jobs can be incredibly cheap and short-sided.
$20 does seem extremely low for a skilled trade, is that typical?
Yes to being a helper/laborer/1st year apprentice. Usually right around $18-20. It's also difficult to even get an interview. I made quite a bit more just being a landscaper and even working at a golf course. And several insurance companies contacted me back, even without any sales experience.
The demand for trades is pretty overhyped right now, unless someone is already a licensed journeyman. Those guys are still doing well.
In the small cities where I live in the USA, places below 200K population in a red state, experienced, skilled welders in a shop get $18-22/hr to start, but can't go much higher. I think after a year the most would be $25.
In order to make more, they have to pay for a small shop of their own and/or a portable rig: large pick-up and a heavy-duty welder on the back, which I think is well over $100K these days and that's not for new equipment.
Interesting, that's actually really disappointing for someone with a tangible skill. Here in Michigan I pay my warehouse employees who do monkey work around those numbers starting out. Seems you would be better off just going into business for yourself doing small side jobs that the companies don't want to deal with and building a client base. More work and risk for sure but much more potential reward, I suppose it depends on what you want out of life and I think that is actually the underlying problem with the workforce but that's a different conversation.
Oh, and you also need $1000-1500 of your own personal gear in order to walk into this shop and use their welder to do your work. Not a huge barrier to entry because if you know how to weld you probably have all this stuff, but some young guys might only have a pair of gloves and a visor and learned on other people's rigs, so they'd need $1K in order to walk into an $18/hr job.
Yeah if I wanted to start a business and do manual labor, might as well just stick with landscaping. Also better money and easier to get a job as an employee right now, and no long apprenticeship starting out at poverty wages.
Or just go with sales and pick a field with lots of work and training.
Do what's best for you, whatever leads to the best life for yourself everything else is secondary. I studied accounting and I have a worthless piece of paper somewhere to prove it but I never worked as an accountant a day in my life.
It makes me angry when greedy boomers who fucked the world try to gaslight younger generations about how "young people don't want to work anymore" when we get a fraction of the wages they got when measured in real terms.
In 1971 (when America went off the partial gold standard) federal minimum wage in the USA was $1.60 per hour. At that time an ounce of gold was roughly $44.60 USD (closing price for 1971). So a full time minimum wage job (38 hour work week) earned you 1.36 ounces of gold in a week. Today federal minimum wage in the USA is $7.25 per hour. 1 week of full time work (38 hours) in a minimum wage job in America today would earn you just 0.081 ounces of gold. So when you measure wages properly according to real inflation (the gold price) young people today on minimum wage are literally getting paid 94% less then boomers who entered the work force and worked a minimum wage job. And these psychopath boomers have the audacity to complain that young people have a bad attitude at work. These greedy boomers are lucky that young people today even show up at work for the slave level wages they are receiving. Minimum wage (based on how much gold it would buy you) would literally have to be $121 USD per hour today to be equivalent to what boomers were receiving when they entered the workforce. Boomers should just be grateful there has not been a violent revolution against them by the younger generations.
In 1971 (when America went off the partial gold standard) federal minimum wage in the USA was $1.60 per hour. At that time an ounce of gold was roughly $44.60 USD (closing price for 1971). So a full time minimum wage job (38 hour work week) earned you 1.36 ounces of gold in a week. Today federal minimum wage in the USA is $7.25 per hour. 1 week of full time work (38 hours) in a minimum wage job in America today would earn you just 0.081 ounces of gold. So when you measure wages properly according to real inflation (the gold price) young people today on minimum wage are literally getting paid 94% less then boomers who entered the work force and worked a minimum wage job. And these psychopath boomers have the audacity to complain that young people have a bad attitude at work. These greedy boomers are lucky that young people today even show up at work for the slave level wages they are receiving. Minimum wage (based on how much gold it would buy you) would literally have to be $121 USD per hour today to be equivalent to what boomers were receiving when they entered the workforce. Boomers should just be grateful there has not been a violent revolution against them by the younger generations.
Yeah this is a big reason why I'm tired of these manual labor jobs. Get paid garbage with garbage benefits, then treated like garbage in many cases and surrounded by miserable people (especially boomers). And all to make some greedy, out of touch bastard rich. It's too bad because the actual work can be enjoyable.
But we need to be working smarter, not harder. Entrepreneurship, sales, real estate, investing, crypto. Maybe working remote then moving somewhere cheaper. Whatever it takes.
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That is starting wage. In Canada, after a 4 year apprenticeship, HVAC techs make 50/hr, plus a ton of overtime.